I like the idea of tier 3 stations being a "reward" unlock for each system. I think they could encourage to people helping out others colony ships by paying double for delivering to a colony ship not your own. Also the Powerplay is a good idea as well and make it stack with my idea of double payout. Say you get double merits to deliver to someone elses colony ship along with double payout.
Elite Dangerous | System Colonisation Beta Details & Feedback
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I don't know if this could be a constructable feature, but many of us have systems with rings, with hotspots included. A ubiquitous feature in the bubble are res zones for fighting pirates at hot spots.
I would like to have res zones in my system.
Will these spontaneously spawn eventually, or will we have to do something to bring them about?
I would like to have res zones in my system.
Will these spontaneously spawn eventually, or will we have to do something to bring them about?
There is a refinery but it has unlocks I think.
I was pleasantly surprised I was able to build an outpost within 24 hours mostly solo. I was in a prime location with 3 large systems within 1 jump range. But I obsess with efficiency. I do wish I had gone with a larger station to start as I am sure I could have finished it solo within 1-2 weeks. Especially now that they have fixed the materials scaling issue. TBH I do not see much of a benefit to build anywhere but a place for mining for someone to be able to generate much profit. But then again, we have yet to see actual residuals yet. If it is high enough, it will encourage maxing out your builds in each system, which I am leaning to do after claiming only 2 systems for now depending on our groups desire to expand in the area we have chosen.
Since the systems become PvE once built. I assume they create themselves eventually? It is a valid question. Pirates are showing up already to poach traders going to colony ships in once empty systems so I assume extraction sites will eventually pop up too and maybe it will be tied to if you build a pirate station or law enforcement that these will appear. TBH I think Fdev only has an "idea" of how this works since the only way to fine tune it is to test it at scale.
True plus I think the idea here is for players to realize that to expand out further in the long run, they will need to build up their own systems to generate the materials need for expansion. If this system building generates materials to expand AND generate revenue it will still become a very viable way to make expansion self sustainable. Once the "gold rush" is over, if you want anything of value from your system, you need to build it out. It is meant to function like any other system, but it is on you to determine it's functional output and inherent value to others as well. The great thing about doing it with a groups is as you expand together, you all build different economies so that you can generate everything needed to expand onward and make money on both sides. A cut from the system and a little bit from dropping onto the colony ship. It will become just like any other thing to do. It also gives people incentive to expand their pledged power to them.
Yes they are all paid above market. A full T9 of Steel is about $4 Million in profit to any colony carrier. I helped a friend build an ice asteroid and made about $100 million hauling just aluminum, steel and titanium.
I misspoke. I know there are refinery hubs. Not T2 Large Refinery settlements that are landable.
Found a few bugs, I assume that the fact I am not architect of my system is due to the people cheating causing the devs to validate everything we have all done. So aside from that:
1) The auto pilot needs to be tweaked for the secondary level one construction stations you build after claiming a system, at the moment it goes very slowly and bumps into objects.
2) I am not sure if the next one is a bug or just me not knowing enough about the subject but I built a small military station to try and improve my systems security status but it still shows as anarchy after that was completed. So I was wondering if this was a bug that the improvement to the system security is not being applied or if it simply requires more of an explanation when shown so we know how it works and what effect it has on the system.
3) The player built stations do not have orbital lines. I assume they should and they should also orbit their planets.
4) The player built stations seem to be on the same plane rather than on different orbits. They are also very close to the planets they are constructed next to unlick the normal stations already in game.
5) When choosing to build some stations they move from the original placement to another place on the system map. Not far but in a different location, for instance I built a farm right next to the star and it moved to beyond the asteroid belt before the first gas giant. Another station moved from between the farm and the asteroid belt to along side the asteroid belt. It would be nice if they could stay where they are originally shown as some stations you might prefer in a certain order but this obviously not an urgent bug as its not moving them miles away from where I am putting the stations.
Other than these bugs everything looks good so far, so good job.
1) The auto pilot needs to be tweaked for the secondary level one construction stations you build after claiming a system, at the moment it goes very slowly and bumps into objects.
2) I am not sure if the next one is a bug or just me not knowing enough about the subject but I built a small military station to try and improve my systems security status but it still shows as anarchy after that was completed. So I was wondering if this was a bug that the improvement to the system security is not being applied or if it simply requires more of an explanation when shown so we know how it works and what effect it has on the system.
3) The player built stations do not have orbital lines. I assume they should and they should also orbit their planets.
4) The player built stations seem to be on the same plane rather than on different orbits. They are also very close to the planets they are constructed next to unlick the normal stations already in game.
5) When choosing to build some stations they move from the original placement to another place on the system map. Not far but in a different location, for instance I built a farm right next to the star and it moved to beyond the asteroid belt before the first gas giant. Another station moved from between the farm and the asteroid belt to along side the asteroid belt. It would be nice if they could stay where they are originally shown as some stations you might prefer in a certain order but this obviously not an urgent bug as its not moving them miles away from where I am putting the stations.
Other than these bugs everything looks good so far, so good job.
RES zones spawned in my system. Hope that helps.
I haven't exactly kept book on my system, and, frankly, the initial 25 million is more a rounding error to the credits my CMDR owns, but overall I think made some profit while building my outpost - at the very least I got the 25 million back, and maybe made the same as profit (I can't really tell from my Inara records). You're not really getting rich hauling to a construction site though.
I wondered whether the bubble is expanding too fast when I saw the number of 8000. From a balancing and game planning perspective this might really go too fast? Who knows. I guess the devs will figure this out whether this is welcomed or needs tweaking.
If it is expanding too fast and would require some artificial slowndown then this should not punish someone who doesn't have an abundant time to spend on games. I like the fact a single player can complete this on his own if he is willing to do the grind (in contrary to most other online games where you can create world wide things on this scale). I had the luck of having a fleet carrier and my gf helping me. We managed to build the first outpost within a few days. I found the balance of materials/grind needed to be good: you do have to invest quite some effort but it's not an insane/long grind (though without a fleet carrier it would have been a LOT more effort I admit). So, the materials required should not be very much increased amount wise or stay the way it is now,at least for outposts. People without a fleet carrier might have quite a struggle otherwise (and perhaps they already do?).
Yet I do wonder why I can technically claim several systems (and keep them for at least 4 weeks, whether I colonize them successfully or not). Why not limit it to 1 claim per player until the colonization was successful (ie, the first construction of a base was completed)? Or 1 claim per player per week or so? I mean, you should be busy enough building up one system alone already. Also, technically you can block several systems for 4 weeks just for the fun of it or worse (kinda like people placing towels on all loungers in hotels and walk off for half the day). But hey, I would not want to vote on anything of that, I'd leave that to the devs when they analyze the progress.
Also, 24h is quite a generous deadline to place the initial beacon to call the colony ship, given the fact the to-be-colonized-system is about 15y out max. I don't think such a lengthy deadline is necessary post beta.
If it is expanding too fast and would require some artificial slowndown then this should not punish someone who doesn't have an abundant time to spend on games. I like the fact a single player can complete this on his own if he is willing to do the grind (in contrary to most other online games where you can create world wide things on this scale). I had the luck of having a fleet carrier and my gf helping me. We managed to build the first outpost within a few days. I found the balance of materials/grind needed to be good: you do have to invest quite some effort but it's not an insane/long grind (though without a fleet carrier it would have been a LOT more effort I admit). So, the materials required should not be very much increased amount wise or stay the way it is now,at least for outposts. People without a fleet carrier might have quite a struggle otherwise (and perhaps they already do?).
Yet I do wonder why I can technically claim several systems (and keep them for at least 4 weeks, whether I colonize them successfully or not). Why not limit it to 1 claim per player until the colonization was successful (ie, the first construction of a base was completed)? Or 1 claim per player per week or so? I mean, you should be busy enough building up one system alone already. Also, technically you can block several systems for 4 weeks just for the fun of it or worse (kinda like people placing towels on all loungers in hotels and walk off for half the day). But hey, I would not want to vote on anything of that, I'd leave that to the devs when they analyze the progress.
Also, 24h is quite a generous deadline to place the initial beacon to call the colony ship, given the fact the to-be-colonized-system is about 15y out max. I don't think such a lengthy deadline is necessary post beta.
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Please, increase colonization range, even by the cost of money and resource requirements. Otherwice galaxy will be polluted by abandoned useless outposts, with systems colonized just to make a chain to desired system/cluster of systems.
For example, add 20k ton + 25 mln credits per each 15ly distance. So that a colony 150 ly away from the bubble will cost 200k tons of resources + 250 mlns for CC.
For example, add 20k ton + 25 mln credits per each 15ly distance. So that a colony 150 ly away from the bubble will cost 200k tons of resources + 250 mlns for CC.
No. The galaxy will be polluted with useless outposts created just to make a chain of colonies from the bubble to a real colony.
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I like the update, you have done a great job, thank you.
After reading a few dozen pages of the forum and trying the colonization process, I can share my vision of solving some problems.
1) If colonization is for everyone, and you want players to develop systems, it is necessary to halve the resources of large stations, at least where from 50k and above. Everyone wants to build a large station, a person plays alone and is not in a faction, and that to build a large station, you need to have a lot of free time. Not everyone has that. 200k and 400k for one person is too much, not taking into account the rest of the resource list of 40 items....
2) To get rid of a lot of intermediate systems with one station:
- have the option to give up ownership (all buildings are removed the system becomes available for new colonization).
- Another option, how to transfer ownership to another player, if a person changed his mind to build up the system or for other reasons. Another player taking ownership, ends the construction of the system, but in the case if he does not build another system.
- Perhaps think about increasing the hold of the aircraft carrier in relation to colonization (either increase or for credits to upgrade at least to 100k. Just a thought, but worth considering).
Then we can get rid of garbage systems.
If you do not give freedom of action, and limited only by some distance, it will be impossible to build intermediate systems to the colony or in other places, and it would be convenient for researchers.
Otherwise it will quickly get bored, especially 200 times to bring to the aircraft carrier and from it to the colonizer and drive the aircraft carrier 20 times for resources for only one station, it is very hard, and everyone is optimistic now, but after the construction of one system, opitimism will disappear ))))
And if the system, as well as aircraft carriers will not bring profit, I think the interest will completely fade away )))))
Naturally, these are just my thoughts, the developers may have their own vision on this issue, but I think many people have thought about it.....
Thanks again for the update, don't forget to rest....
I like the update, you have done a great job, thank you.
After reading a few dozen pages of the forum and trying the colonization process, I can share my vision of solving some problems.
1) If colonization is for everyone, and you want players to develop systems, it is necessary to halve the resources of large stations, at least where from 50k and above. Everyone wants to build a large station, a person plays alone and is not in a faction, and that to build a large station, you need to have a lot of free time. Not everyone has that. 200k and 400k for one person is too much, not taking into account the rest of the resource list of 40 items....
2) To get rid of a lot of intermediate systems with one station:
- Give the ability to build in any system (if the pilot is a member of a force, then from the force he is a member of. If the pilot is not a member of the force, then to give the opportunity to choose from which force to take a request for construction)
- prohibit to take requests until the system is fully built up.
- have the option to give up ownership (all buildings are removed the system becomes available for new colonization).
- Another option, how to transfer ownership to another player, if a person changed his mind to build up the system or for other reasons. Another player taking ownership, ends the construction of the system, but in the case if he does not build another system.
- Perhaps think about increasing the hold of the aircraft carrier in relation to colonization (either increase or for credits to upgrade at least to 100k. Just a thought, but worth considering).
Then we can get rid of garbage systems.
If you do not give freedom of action, and limited only by some distance, it will be impossible to build intermediate systems to the colony or in other places, and it would be convenient for researchers.
Otherwise it will quickly get bored, especially 200 times to bring to the aircraft carrier and from it to the colonizer and drive the aircraft carrier 20 times for resources for only one station, it is very hard, and everyone is optimistic now, but after the construction of one system, opitimism will disappear ))))
And if the system, as well as aircraft carriers will not bring profit, I think the interest will completely fade away )))))
Naturally, these are just my thoughts, the developers may have their own vision on this issue, but I think many people have thought about it.....
Thanks again for the update, don't forget to rest....
Мне нравится обновление, вы проделали огромную работу, спасибо.
прочитав несколько десятков страниц форума и попробовав процесс колонизации, могу поделиться своим видением решения некоторых проблем.
1) Если колонизация для всех, и вы хлтите что бьы игроки развивали системы, необходимо ресурсы больших станций снизить вдвое, хотя бы там где от 50к и выше. Каждый хочет построить большую станцию, человек играет один и не состоит в фракции, и что бы построить большую станцию, нужно иметь много свободного времени. Это не увсех есть. 200к и 400к для одного человека слишком много, не учитывая остальной список ресурсов в 40 пунктов...
2) Что бы избавиться от множество промежуточных систем с одной станцией:
- возможно подумать об увеличении трюма авианосца применительно к колонизации (либо увеличить, либо за кредиты модернизировать хотя бы до 100к. Просто мысль, но думаю стоит рассмотрения.)
Тогда от мусорных систем можно будет избавиться.
Если не давать свободу дейсвий , а ограничивать только каким то расстоянием, невозможно будет построить промежуточные системы к колонии или в других местах, а это было бы удобно для исследователей.
Иначе это быстро надоест, особенно по 200 раз свозить на авианосец и с него на колонизатор и гонять авианосец по 20 раз за ресурсами только для одной станции, это очень тяжело, и все оптимистичны сейчас, но после постройки одной системы, опитимизм пропадет )))
А еесли системы , как и авианосцы не будут приносить прибыль, думаю интерес совсем угаснит )))
Эстественно, это только мои мысли, у разработчиков может быть свое видение на этот счет, но думаю об этом многие думали....
Еще раз спасибо за обновление, не забывайте отдыхать....
прочитав несколько десятков страниц форума и попробовав процесс колонизации, могу поделиться своим видением решения некоторых проблем.
1) Если колонизация для всех, и вы хлтите что бьы игроки развивали системы, необходимо ресурсы больших станций снизить вдвое, хотя бы там где от 50к и выше. Каждый хочет построить большую станцию, человек играет один и не состоит в фракции, и что бы построить большую станцию, нужно иметь много свободного времени. Это не увсех есть. 200к и 400к для одного человека слишком много, не учитывая остальной список ресурсов в 40 пунктов...
2) Что бы избавиться от множество промежуточных систем с одной станцией:
- дать возможность строить в любой системе (если состоит пилот в силе, то от силы в которой состоит. Если не состоит в силе то дать возможность выбрать от какой силы брать заявку на строительство)
- запретить брпть заявки пока не застроена система полностью.
- иметь опцию отказаться от права собственности (все постройки удаляются система становится доступна для новой колонизации)
- Еще вариант, как передать право собственности дркугому игроку, если человек передумал застравать систму либо по другим причинам. Другой игрок приняв право собственности, заканчивает застройку систмы, но в том случае если он не застраивает другую систему.
- возможно подумать об увеличении трюма авианосца применительно к колонизации (либо увеличить, либо за кредиты модернизировать хотя бы до 100к. Просто мысль, но думаю стоит рассмотрения.)
Тогда от мусорных систем можно будет избавиться.
Если не давать свободу дейсвий , а ограничивать только каким то расстоянием, невозможно будет построить промежуточные системы к колонии или в других местах, а это было бы удобно для исследователей.
Иначе это быстро надоест, особенно по 200 раз свозить на авианосец и с него на колонизатор и гонять авианосец по 20 раз за ресурсами только для одной станции, это очень тяжело, и все оптимистичны сейчас, но после постройки одной системы, опитимизм пропадет )))
А еесли системы , как и авианосцы не будут приносить прибыль, думаю интерес совсем угаснит )))
Эстественно, это только мои мысли, у разработчиков может быть свое видение на этот счет, но думаю об этом многие думали....
Еще раз спасибо за обновление, не забывайте отдыхать....
Try re-honking and FSS the system. I've even seen populated systems that I KNOW I scanned completely before do this same thing where the planets are just not showing up till I scan them again.
I did re-honk. I'll try FSS again. Thx.
Edit: re-FSS got my planets back. That was scary! o7
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