Paul -- I'm not surprised if you can't or won't tell us when colonization will be turned back on. But could you let us know if there will be advanced warning before it it turned back on?
Elite Dangerous | System Colonisation Beta Details & Feedback
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Here is the ( official ) evidence --> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...etails-feedback.634055/page-170#post-10572014 ... yeah?
I didn't want both of them there the game refused the placement of the first one so I moved slightly and it then decided to place two of them even though it refused the first one.
It's either a bug or the fact they are in a very deep crater.
Made delivering commodities very easy though, one downside is you can only see one of them on the system map although both are in the navigation panel.
Increasing. Not increased or increases. Meaning continually. That's one of them but there was a post or image somewhere here that stated increased costs as the system progresses. Lost it in the 50+ pages or where the other source is.
Good afternoon, I am Commander Dark Sentinel, I have 4 comments.
- The first one is related to the construction costs of large stations, it is crazy, either lower them or get a ship with more capacity.
- The second comment is related to the capacity and jump times of the carriers, lower jump times and increase capacity, which would be achieved either by removing the space of the internal modules or selling a module that allows carrying more cargo in empty parking lots.
- The third point is that the jump distance is very short, our squadron found only one system where we could escape the confinement to which we were condemned. 25 light years is a good number.
- In fourth place I would mention a problem that the minor factions that the new system takes are not becoming native, if I am alone and a group comes they can easily take me out of my own system, I remain attentive, greetings
Seconded. The Architect is treated like just an average joe.
I haven't seen performance tests of multiple facilities near each other. ED's graphics are below the current gen standards (polygon count, no global illumination, no nanite virtualized geometry etc). Odyssey runs fine afaik. Maybe set a limit to 4 facilities next to each other.
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Strangely I'm relieved to hear that, one less thing to worry about. I'll go back to assuming it's always 200km unless anyone can prove different.
I'm talking about how the game works as well as how badly it'd run if you had two settlements with AI firing off (not to mention one might be a CZ, which runs even worse).
The game works by silos of content you "instance" as you reach it. Having multiple settlements all in the same instance would be nuts. The game already struggles enough when more than one player goes to the same settlement with the same mission, let alone two different missions at two different settlements (or more, if you all got your wish).
The thought process went like this:
1) I'd love to make a city!
2) Skip thinking how this would impact the game
3) Let us put three settlements next to each other!
I'd be happy if in the settlements we can place, one of the private habs (seen in some settlement types) was reserved for the system architect. So you can go there, log out, and when you log in, you are in there.
By "help screen", do you mean the Pilot's Handbook in the Codex in the game?
Note that for me, this lack of information is blocking for further testing in the beta, given that I don't know what further effects I can unknowingly trigger. I've already poured too many hours into this feature not even knowing how the most important parts work.
-Construction points are only very summarily described in the tutorial that nearly everyone skipped because the setup was a gold-rush "first come first served" for claiming.
-I'm lucky to not having already painted myself into a corner with the construction point multiplier which would have more or less completely ruined my plan for the system, wasting even more of my time.
Arf said on stream that Fdev doesn't want to waste our time. Please live by that with the information affecting decisions related to 100s of hours of hauling for colonization.
I doubt fdev is willing to really change any mechanics as this is "feature complete" but here's my concise feedback.
-Hauling is fun to an extent, but gets old fast. Let us pay through the nose for some level of NPC deliveries over time.
-Have the hauling-cost of facilities reduced by local development or local sources of said resource to represent local NPC hauling within the economy.
-The entire system is far too opaque. People want to know how to do basic things like "build a refinery port" or "get a shipyard" and the system doesn't even provide clues and no one can figure it out.
-Make planets matter! You have this amazing planet generation system and planets have all sorts of statistics and classifications, yet nothing seems to matter? Why not have mining and industry get a bonus on high mineral worlds for example?
-We really need the ability to name planets and systems!
-The build point cost doubling is a very bad system. The intent I understand, to make it so players don't just fill their system with T3 stations. But I imagine there's far better ways of doing this while also making it MUCH more clear in the architect view.
-We need much more information available! Show us our exact number of security points, development, tech, all the relevant info. We should not need personal spreadsheets for this.
-Hauling is fun to an extent, but gets old fast. Let us pay through the nose for some level of NPC deliveries over time.
-Have the hauling-cost of facilities reduced by local development or local sources of said resource to represent local NPC hauling within the economy.
-The entire system is far too opaque. People want to know how to do basic things like "build a refinery port" or "get a shipyard" and the system doesn't even provide clues and no one can figure it out.
-Make planets matter! You have this amazing planet generation system and planets have all sorts of statistics and classifications, yet nothing seems to matter? Why not have mining and industry get a bonus on high mineral worlds for example?
-We really need the ability to name planets and systems!
-The build point cost doubling is a very bad system. The intent I understand, to make it so players don't just fill their system with T3 stations. But I imagine there's far better ways of doing this while also making it MUCH more clear in the architect view.
-We need much more information available! Show us our exact number of security points, development, tech, all the relevant info. We should not need personal spreadsheets for this.
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All that says is "This system (Costs increasing) is an intended process." and nothing more. It does not support your extrapolation of that to 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x. That's your assumption not a definite conclusion of what you are linking. Costs increasing after you've built 2 additional ports is another interpretation. Currently known to be correct for one increase, no one knows beyond that.
It really will be very helpfull if there is created short locked thread explaining little more in detail how needed points increase should work.
Details like (based on info that second port construction initiates further constructions costs):
- Is counted first station as port?
- Is coriolis and/or asteroid base counted as port?
- Are outposts counted as port?
- Are ports meant only Tier3 constructions?
We're venturing into typical 'IPL' ( Internet Parsing Land
) here lol but i mean the word "increasing" denotes incremental & exponential , no?i have no assumptions , since i was merely replying to you after you replied to that other person--> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...on-beta-details-feedback.634055/post-10572242
( so i was just posting the official @Paul_Crowther link in case you had missed it )
Well yeah heck most of this entire thread is speculation. But of course that's what happens when devs/coders keep things vague & close-to-the-vest. ( re: open "beta" & all )
That would for sure be a good one to communicate prominently and upfront. It might be nice to have it included somewhere in the colonization GUI as a parenthetical or tooltip next to the existing cost in the default workflow. It's at least as significant as being able to see your ammo count onscreen when you're firing a weapon; not something you want to only find after drilling down and reading the fine print in the Pilot's Handbook.
Based on current experience, No, Yes, No, No. Currently unknown if there are further increases and if so when that happens.
[edit] Of course it would be great to get categorical statement of this and many other aspects of the way colonisation works.
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So it's building the wrong thing. That's useful
Meanwhile I have Schrödinger's Mining Outpost - simultaneously under construction and completed.
Feedback: I'm happy with the station costs as they are quoted upfront. I am NOT happy that the colonisation ship then charges triple what was quoted. (2) I would prefer to be able to choose the location rather than it being (apparently) randomly generated. (3) As others have said, there should be a variety of ways of fulfilling the costs by running missions from the colonisation ship (attack pirates, defend convoy, recover item, survey planet, raid hostile settlement etc etc ) with each mission contributing quantities of commodities to the shopping list as rewards. (4) The 15Ly limit is too small and results in very few systems being within range and available - increase to 25 please (5) there seem to be a large number of systems that cannot be colonised for irrelevant reasons - eg, it contains a crashed ship, or a thargoid spire, etc. This is exactly the wrong way around! When we colonise a system it should be like a potential loot box - perhaps we will occasionally discover something interesting that no-one found before. (6) the build selection should be much clearer about what you are choosing to build - eg, will it be landable, will it produce commodities, or will it have a trespass zone and be useless. Thank you.
I was hoping for something a little more sim-like than what we apparently got. I was thinking that claiming a system would be essentially a whole little sim game tucked inside elite dangerous, but instead it's a time sink I'll do maybe once, for a few more facilities, and then completely ignore.
From what we know (because we have to figure out how everything works) there is:
The bottom line is that there really isn't a point to colonization. I earned credits to buy new ships so I could handle more difficult missions or goals. I gathered mats to further improve my ships for the same reason. I got a FC to make it easier to switch between the ships I own regardless of the location of my mission or goal. I colonized a system because... well, I dunno. Like, I colonized my system, but is there any reason for anyone to bother visiting it, specifically? Any reason for me to bother visiting it, specifically?
I will say that it's better than nothing, but I really do doubt many people are going to be doing it in a few months, if it even takes that long. Let's hope that "feature complete" was an exaggeration.
I really am sorry this post ended up such a rant. It kind of got away from me. Despite my negativity, I do enjoy most of this game.
From what we know (because we have to figure out how everything works) there is:
- No real utility to claiming a system: pocket change amounts of credits in exchange for hours of real-life time
- No gameplay that is particularly engaging: move bits from point a to point b and try to find a way to distract yourself while you do it
- no gameplay that is novel to the activity: there are plenty of ways to move bits from point a to point b in this game for better rewards
The bottom line is that there really isn't a point to colonization. I earned credits to buy new ships so I could handle more difficult missions or goals. I gathered mats to further improve my ships for the same reason. I got a FC to make it easier to switch between the ships I own regardless of the location of my mission or goal. I colonized a system because... well, I dunno. Like, I colonized my system, but is there any reason for anyone to bother visiting it, specifically? Any reason for me to bother visiting it, specifically?
I will say that it's better than nothing, but I really do doubt many people are going to be doing it in a few months, if it even takes that long. Let's hope that "feature complete" was an exaggeration.
I really am sorry this post ended up such a rant. It kind of got away from me. Despite my negativity, I do enjoy most of this game.
It is pretty obvious that groups of people can/should be able to power grab easier than an individual alone