Elite Dangerous - The Drew Wagar's Conspiracy

[Faybs]

Makes sense. He wanted to get big name player groups involved . He publicised this event as PvP and wanted to get people on both sides or there would be no PvP. SDC saying "we're gonna protect her" and being believed by anyone is the only thing that makes no sense.

The big player bad guy groups. Groups who were already infamous, so being held responsible for the death of a popular lore character would not be a minus, but a plus. From what we know, when Salome's ship was destroyed it had already suffered a lot of damage - from Code ships. I'm pretty sure one of the two groups was supposed to get the kill. To me what seals the deal was that Drew was the one playing as Salome, and that he flew pretty suicidally when he was finally alone in an instance with his assailant. Given that it was SDC's own Rinzler who made all the "this is how you survive in open" videos, I'm pretty sure that if Salome was meant to survive, either a top tier PvP'er would have been playing her, or Drew would have practiced survival tactics.

 

[SuBSynk]

Drew has taken the small Easter egg of "something in the rift" and over the last two years has woven it into a promotional event for his book.

Fixed that for you.

The event from the start was an obvious book promotion and involved scripted in game events (Drews messages & friends lists prove this).

The ego stroking of the blog posts and self aggrandisement from this hack writer that anyone outside of ED circles would never have heard of is appalling.

Sorry to be harsh but someone has to say it, the books are amateurish at best and would have zero traction or i doubt even get published if Drew had not co opted the Elite franchise for promotional advantages.

 

[Cmdr Zach]

"Doesn't make sense" is rather being generous here don't you think

It's equivalent to "Emperor Palpatine escorting the Milenium Falcon", as a CMDR pointed our previously.

This is the one bit of credible "conspiracy" from your video.

Who were the leaders of PAC? What player groups were they from, and linked with? I've seen rumour that SDC and Code members were involved all along with PAC and manipulated it to their advantage, quite successfully. I'm looking forward to hearing from these organisations to get their side of the story.....

 

[Zeeman]

I disagree, SDC are nothing special. I made a video not long ago showing how a Type 7 can permanently dodge interdictions withour ever getting killed. Due to how instancing work, how fast Clipper is and how strong it's shields are, the only way that it would even lose shields, even being chased by a milion players - is because the script said so

I suspect the player in command of Salomé is either a useless pilot (likely), or they are instructed to behave in a certain way to give people the chance to take her out (also likely). I, personally, could get a Clipper from Eradani to Teorge in about 30 minutes at most (or whatever 45 seconds/jump works out at). wouldn't make for much fun for those chasing though, would it?

I mean, we don't even know who was playing Salomé, said person may, in fact, be sick to death of the role, and was happy to find a way to be taken out. We simply don't know...

Z...

 

[CMDR Corlas]

This is the one bit of credible "conspiracy" from your video.

Who were the leaders of PAC? What player groups were they from, and linked with? I've seen rumour that SDC and Code members were involved all along with PAC and manipulated it to their advantage, quite successfully. I'm looking forward to hearing from these organisations to get their side of the story.....

Yes, and that's why the in-game RP conspiracy involved is far more interesting than unfounded claims of metagame conspiracy.

 

[MassiveD]

It's been stated multiple times, convincingly I think, that no one ever trusted SDC. They were accepted in they could be monitored a bit better and they could be fed disinformation. It was a calculated risk. The fact that it failed doesn't make it a conspiracy.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this (if you wish me to retract this statement PM me, you know who you are)


"I have it on high authority that high ranking members of PAC--the admirals--were directly receiving orders from SDC. Most of them truly were hoodwinked into believing Rinzler & Co were going to actually help with the defense. There was at least one mole, probably more, within PAC that knew what the true agenda was all along and helped convince the rest of the leadership to trust them. I know SDC well enough to know how persuasive they can be, and I'm pretty convinced of this report.

PAC was 100% in charge of Salome's security, and they indeed handed control over to SDC. Why CoR handed control in the first place to PAC is of course where Drew comes into play."

I have also had a member of FDEV telling me that they tried to talk Drew out of this whole event, however I was not told of what the reason was.

 

[Faybs]

I suspect the player in command of Salomé is either a useless pilot (likely), or they are instructed to behave in a certain way to give people the chance to take her out (also likely). I, personally, could get a Clipper from Eradani to Teorge in about 30 minutes at most (or whatever 45 seconds/jump works out at). wouldn't make for much fun for those chasing though, would it?

Z...

It was Drew himself. Is this a great conspiracy or what?

 

[Dbrn47]

Maybe I'm just that cynical or just don't care... but does it matter? Why does it? Is anyone really surprised by any of this?

 

[Faybs]

Yes, and that's why the in-game RP conspiracy involved is far more interesting than unfounded claims of metagame conspiracy.

I'm not sure there is much difference between the two really. But yeah, this Salome event is the gift that keeps on giving. First the chase through space and now unravelling the conspiracy. My only regret is that this will probably never happen again.

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Maybe I'm just that cynical or just don't care... but does it matter? Why does it? Is anyone really surprised by any of this?

I see it as the next step in the story. A popular character with a secret to tell gets murdered, and from the get-go things don't add up. What did really happen in the cold, hard vacuum of space that day?

 

[Zeeman]

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this (if you wish me to retract this statement PM me, you know who you are)


"I have it on high authority that high ranking members of PAC--the admirals--were directly receiving orders from SDC. Most of them truly were hoodwinked into believing Rinzler & Co were going to actually help with the defense. There was at least one mole, probably more, within PAC that knew what the true agenda was all along and helped convince the rest of the leadership to trust them. I know SDC well enough to know how persuasive they can be, and I'm pretty convinced of this report.

PAC was 100% in charge of Salome's security, and they indeed handed control over to SDC. Why CoR handed control in the first place to PAC is of course where Drew comes into play."

I have also had a member of FDEV telling me that they tried to talk Drew out of this whole event, however I was not told of what the reason was.

Let's be honest here, any time someone "in charge" instructs you to take an unarmed Eagle into a conflict, it's time to go AWOL...

It was Drew himself. Is this a great conspiracy or what?

I'm not convinced it was drew flying. I'm not ruling it out, of course... I'm just not convinced.

Z...

 

[MassiveD]

I'm not sure there is much difference between the two really. But yeah, this Salome event is the gift that keeps on giving. First the chase through space and now unravelling the conspiracy. My only regret is that this will probably never happen again.

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I see it as the next step in the story. A popular character with a secret to tell gets murdered, and from the get-go things don't add up. What did really happen in the cold, hard vacuum of space that day?

This is the geek in me being triggered by you saying that space is cold, it isn't >.<

 

[Zeeman]

Maybe I'm just that cynical or just don't care... but does it matter? Why does it? Is anyone really surprised by any of this?

Yes. No. Maybe? Who cares. Look at all the drama! The games more alive than it's been in ages! And look, there are expeditions being mounted to look for new salt mines outside the bubble!

Z...

edit - just because drams is interesting, I got pulled up at security today because I have a warthog on my bag at an airport. I'm not sure if he actually thought it was a threat, or just wanted to check one out himself...

 

[CMDR Corlas]

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this (if you wish me to retract this statement PM me, you know who you are)


"I have it on high authority that high ranking members of PAC--the admirals--were directly receiving orders from SDC. Most of them truly were hoodwinked into believing Rinzler & Co were going to actually help with the defense. There was at least one mole, probably more, within PAC that knew what the true agenda was all along and helped convince the rest of the leadership to trust them. I know SDC well enough to know how persuasive they can be, and I'm pretty convinced of this report.

PAC was 100% in charge of Salome's security, and they indeed handed control over to SDC. Why CoR handed control in the first place to PAC is of course where Drew comes into play."

I have also had a member of FDEV telling me that they tried to talk Drew out of this whole event, however I was not told of what the reason was.

The meat of that - SDC infiltrating PAC and manipulating events - is believable conspiracy to me. It's also all in-game conspiracy, which is why I've been suggesting focusing on that. That's the sort of conspiracy that fuels lore, story, and ultimately gameplay.

Alleging foul play on the part of Drew or FD just detracts from all that and is ultimately pointless I think. That's what I was trying to get at.

 

[Faybs]

This is the geek in me being triggered by you saying that space is cold, it isn't >.<

Hard science and romanticism don't mix I'm afraid...

 

[Gunnet]

Maybe I'm just that cynical or just don't care... but does it matter? Why does it? Is anyone really surprised by any of this?

People don't like to have their intelligence insulted by being expected to fall for paper-thin illusions.

Plus, people really want to have big, dynamic community events. And it's disappointing when something which was presented as just that turns out to be little more than a stageplay acted out by Frontier's usual favorites.

 

[Faybs]

Yes. No. Maybe? Who cares. Look at all the drama! The games more alive than it's been in ages! And look, there are expeditions being mounted to look for new salt mines outside the bubble!

Z...

edit - just because drams is interesting, I got pulled up at security today because I have a warthog on my bag at an airport. I'm not sure if he actually thought it was a threat, or just wanted to check one out himself...

I'm guessing the airport security guy saw the grip through the x-ray machine and thought it was part of a gun.

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Alleging foul play on the part of Drew or FD just detracts from all that and is ultimately pointless I think. That's what I was trying to get at.

I completely agree with that, although since Salome is Drew's character it's hard to argue that foul play was even possible. The "worst" that can be said about this is that we were all unwitting extras in a play.

 

[Dbrn47]

After watching the whole video, I get it. I spoke too soon, my questions were answered before asking. Ultimately doesn't matter to me personally, but I do get why others would feel shafted if it was a big sham. Good video, regardless if there's any truth to it or not, it was interesting.

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People don't like to have their intelligence insulted by being expected to fall for paper-thin illusions.

Plus, people really want to have big, dynamic community events. And it's disappointing when something which was presented as just that turns out to be little more than a stageplay acted out by Frontier's usual favorites.

Yea, I get it now. I'm not going to delete what I said, but I understand now, made a mistake on that front.

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Yes. No. Maybe? Who cares. Look at all the drama! The games more alive than it's been in ages! And look, there are expeditions being mounted to look for new salt mines outside the bubble!

Z...

edit - just because drams is interesting, I got pulled up at security today because I have a warthog on my bag at an airport. I'm not sure if he actually thought it was a threat, or just wanted to check one out himself...

Haha, also true.

 

[MassiveD]

The meat of that - SDC infiltrating PAC and manipulating events - is believable conspiracy to me. It's also all in-game conspiracy, which is why I've been suggesting focusing on that. That's the sort of conspiracy that fuels lore, story, and ultimately gameplay.

Alleging foul play on the part of Drew or FD just detracts from all that and is ultimately pointless I think. That's what I was trying to get at.

Well, you say that, but personally I am known to not care much about lore and PowerPlay, however I do care to know if I'm being lied to or not, and at the moment, there are more evidence pointing to Drew faking the event for book purposes than not. It is literaly my only concern on this thread if he lied and was smug about it afterwards or not. I personally do not care what SDC did or did not, I would in fact do it myself given the opportunity, this event at the moment is not even about them, it's about our man Drew. That's why I haven't bashed SDC in my video, that's why I haven't said anything about FDEV in this, and that's why I said that this is in no way a salt thread I'm generally intrigued to find out if Drew thinks we are moronic cash-cows or not

 

[Zeeman]

The meat of that - SDC infiltrating PAC and manipulating events - is believable conspiracy to me. It's also all in-game conspiracy, which is why I've been suggesting focusing on that. That's the sort of conspiracy that fuels lore, story, and ultimately gameplay.

Alleging foul play on the part of Drew or FD just detracts from all that and is ultimately pointless I think. That's what I was trying to get at.

Agreed with this. And, MassiveD - if there is only one single point I agree with you on (there are more, but I digress), it's that EVERYONE saw it coming that SDC were going to cause trouble. Except, it seems, the ones in charge, telling people to fly unarmed Eagles... Hhhmmm... If ever anyone deserved to be put on a KOS list...

Thing is, it translates brilliantly into a book/story/lore, and I think once the salt dissolves in the rain and washed into the sea, this will be seen as quite an interesting point in the history of ED, and Elite in general.

Z...

 

[Faybs]

Well, you say that, but personally I am known to not care much about lore and PowerPlay, however I do care to know if I'm being lied to or not, and at the moment, there are more evidence pointing to Drew faking the event for book purposes than not. It is literaly my only concern on this thread if he lied and was smug about it afterwards or not. I personally do not care what SDC did or did not, I would in fact do it myself given the opportunity, this event at the moment is not even about them, it's about our man Drew. That's why I haven't bashed SDC in my video, that's why I haven't said anything about FDEV in this, and that's why I said that this is in no way a salt thread I'm generally intrigued to find out if Drew thinks we are moronic cash-cows or not

I haven't seen much evidence of Drew being smug. He is denying that it was predetermined, but maybe he has reasons that go beyond simple dishonesty - some new reveal or something is coming, and he needs to maintain that facade for now. Maybe that's why your mole suggested that FDev had tried to dissuade Drew, they knew we weren't going to buy the cover story.