Atmospheric planets will not be a core upgrade but a paid for expansion, and then I suspect it won't be all atmospheric planets. They will be like mars of today or similar I suspect. To do earthlikes with todays graphics is a massive undertaking, which I am sure they can do, it will just take a lot of time.
Elite II and FFE are better games than ED?
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Atmospheric planets will not be a core upgrade but a paid for expansion, and then I suspect it won't be all atmospheric planets. They will be like mars of today or similar I suspect. To do earthlikes with todays graphics is a massive undertaking, which I am sure they can do, it will just take a lot of time.
Stachel
Banned
I think he was not and is not one of the game's designers.
He's very hands-on in various aspects from promising features to advertising the game. That's not design.
Goodness I really hope not. But if true, that would explain why Frontier has not replaced the person responsible for the current shambles, and suggests we should have a lot of sympathy for the Lead Designer who has to come on the forum to make excuses for the messup.
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There's going to be more than just Core Updates. FDev are going to need to rely on both E : D and PC to keep the revenue coming in to create the Dinosaur Game. If you want to keep the revenue coming in, then it's going to take more than just the cosmetics packs we've seen so far. I think at this point, DLC can be packaged in such a way that it can compartmentalise any new gameplay without having too much effect on the existing game. eg. DLC for Atmospheric landings means the landing module gets updated, planetary mining DLC could be the availability of a special vehicle hanger that holds the mining machines and DLC for Gas Giant Scooping is only available with a new type of fuel school but you have to pay real money to get access to the new equipment that you need for the DLC.
The exception is that if you've paid for a lifetime pass either separately or as part of being a certain rank of kickstarter backer, the DLC should still be available for free
I'm not sure that's true about the graphics, have you seen this by Obsidian Ant;
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DlKz6r1uCfw[/video]
In practically every review it was commented on being shallow and grindy. That's where "inch deep" became a word used about a 1000 times a day on the forums here.
But you were replying to this...
You can't use yourself as an example about something when you're generalising a subject. Saying "well I liked it" doesn't really mean anything.
Stachel
Banned
From a profit-earning POV, Elite Dangerous is dead. The last life signs disappeared when the PS4 port sold only a handful of copies.
Yes, it is going to take free-to-play with microtransactions. Just ask Frontier's latest addition to the board - imported from the world's largest microtransactions factory, Tencent.
Whether DLC is available for free to LEP owners depends entirely on how Frontier chooses to label it. Frontier has excluded all the current post-2.0 DLCs from the Lifetime Expansion Pass. They can do the same again.
I don't disagree OP in certain ways, and at first (when it was first released) I was very disappointed with ED because it felt like just a prettier but cut-down version of FE2, but I think the things that ED does better make up for the things it doesn't do as well as FE2 and FFE, and over the years Fdev are adding to the richness of the world and I see that continuing.
I didn't enjoy the ship combat in FE2 and FFE and it was extremely hard/impossible to fly a ship in any meaningful way without the autopilot and associated things (albeit that was fairly realistic, it was mostly waiting while the autopilot took you places). Despite that I loved the games (well, FE2, I never played FFE at the time it was released) and put an insane amount of ours into it.
I have both games even now and I play them occasionally, along with Oolite.
ED has the "ship flying" part down to a fine art, the feel of things is awesome, the combat is great, the sounds are great.
I think the rest will eventually catch up because they're basically just adding detail into the existing framework.
I do miss the more in-depth "Bulletin Board" which actually helped generate quite a lot of world-building.
I'd love to see the old-style ships added to the game as NPC's, as mentioned in other threads, my headcannon is that those ships still exist using the old class 2B hyperdrive, the ships we see using FSD are just a tiny percentage of the space-faring population (since the FSD has only been around for a few years) That explains why there's so few ships in space, there's actually a lot more, you just don't really see them! So when you see the convoy USS beacons and the wrecks and things in my head that's the "old style" ships that have been attacked while slowboating from the edge of the system, etc.
FE2 didn't have a storyline, it was only introduced with FFE, and it was fairly minimal (I think there was something like 6 missions?). The stuff with the Formidine Rift, Barnacles, Thargoids, Colonia and to a degree the smaller "dramas" that contribute to the CG's and things in many ways is equivalent to the scope of the FFE storyline, it's just not formatted as a "mission".
So, overall, I agree in theory, but I think in practice ED is a better game, and has potential to be significantly better as it develops further.
I didn't enjoy the ship combat in FE2 and FFE and it was extremely hard/impossible to fly a ship in any meaningful way without the autopilot and associated things (albeit that was fairly realistic, it was mostly waiting while the autopilot took you places). Despite that I loved the games (well, FE2, I never played FFE at the time it was released) and put an insane amount of ours into it.
I have both games even now and I play them occasionally, along with Oolite.
ED has the "ship flying" part down to a fine art, the feel of things is awesome, the combat is great, the sounds are great.
I think the rest will eventually catch up because they're basically just adding detail into the existing framework.
I do miss the more in-depth "Bulletin Board" which actually helped generate quite a lot of world-building.
I'd love to see the old-style ships added to the game as NPC's, as mentioned in other threads, my headcannon is that those ships still exist using the old class 2B hyperdrive, the ships we see using FSD are just a tiny percentage of the space-faring population (since the FSD has only been around for a few years) That explains why there's so few ships in space, there's actually a lot more, you just don't really see them! So when you see the convoy USS beacons and the wrecks and things in my head that's the "old style" ships that have been attacked while slowboating from the edge of the system, etc.
FE2 didn't have a storyline, it was only introduced with FFE, and it was fairly minimal (I think there was something like 6 missions?). The stuff with the Formidine Rift, Barnacles, Thargoids, Colonia and to a degree the smaller "dramas" that contribute to the CG's and things in many ways is equivalent to the scope of the FFE storyline, it's just not formatted as a "mission".
So, overall, I agree in theory, but I think in practice ED is a better game, and has potential to be significantly better as it develops further.
No Proof, and it is still selling on Steam (you can see the numbers going up).
Tencent do not control the company or make the decisions.
No they haven't. This is blatantly not true.
Do you post anything that has any basis in fact at all.
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Come again? I don't understand what you are saying. Do you have any facts for this?
Stachel is living in cloud oo land it seems. There is no facts or source for this info. It's just made up like the rest of his post.
What is wrong with the filter. I try to put a bird name c u c k o o and it stops it. How bizare
My only problem with your points is that all of it is stuff you just made up out of thin air with no factual basis whatsoever.
I think that's probably an overzealous attempt to pre-empt any red pill/MRA talk in the forums.
Just answering the thread question, Nope I absolutely hated FE2 (Didn't even bother with FFE as it was more of the same) - and by hated I mean when I brought FE2 I'd never felt so let down by any game that I had highly anticipated before or since.
The game was a marvel and an impressive achievement, I got that. it just wasn't Elite for me.
The game was a marvel and an impressive achievement, I got that. it just wasn't Elite for me.
These are the words that are not to be used again on this programme:
B*M
B*TTY
P*X
KN*CKERS
KN*CKERS
W**-W**
SEMPRINI
Crew.
I agree with that. I want NPC crew very very very much. But I do expect we might get that further down the line.
This game is going to be developed for a few more years, remember?
Oh yes I fully agree NPC crew is a must for the game (it's in joint first for me with better galaxy economy) and would bring a hell of a lot to the game.
Storyline.
FD could release a separate story campaign then and make use of everything the complete game has to offer. We might start out as farmer on tatooine and then work our way up to owning a ship, leave the planet and fight the evil emperor.
Storylines are are ok but in most cases you often choose the 'ignore till later' option if it's available especially once your training wheels are off.
on a side note now you've mentioned a farmer in a galaxy far far away. I find it inconceivable that no games developer has brought out an open sandbox game set within that galaxy. ELITE DANGEROUS has proven the market exists for a space sim/game. That other franchise is the reason SPACE GAMES exist (aged 7 in 1977 it totally changed my childhood kicked my imagination into over drive and made the worst decade ever bearable). Sorry but though ELITE has a huge place in my heart if they did E.D in a galaxy far far away I'd be off in a flash.
Does anyone remember the original chat for elite 4. You wouldnt even have a ship at the start and would start off doing menial tasks with loaner ships.
Iirc there were to be 2 games a single player game like the original trilogy and a multiplayer companion game (maybe like cqc). I like what FD have tried to do with ED but there were a lot of saccrifices made in making ED an mmo
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It's easier just to put him on ignore.
Nothing he says is grounded in any form of reality, or substantiated by any kind of fact.
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
That's funny since my entry into the franchise started with FE2. I never played Elite. FE2, though, I enjoyed.
Played it a bunch.