Emperor Duval in coma - it's a strategy to something big!

[luma]

Enough of the off-topic debate please.

Yes the Emporer is in a coma, but what a lot of people seem to have also missed is that the Federation VP was found dead a few days ago under suspicious circumstances. Add to the fact that the empire has been downplaying the emperors health since December. Don't you find that these 2 news items are a little co-incidental? Maybe someone much higher up is pulling some strings? (and I'm not talking about FDev )

Would like to see some more alliance/independent news too.

Thats it! Maybe it will come a new cycle for the galaxy. Ending with this "old" story and build a new one, with war and maybe give the allience and independents a chance. The end of both empires!

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Yes, it means that we've got a lot better in the last 100 years at stopping people from getting killed (either through accidents or being able to prevent and treat diseases). It doesn't mean we've managed to do anything at all about maximum lifespans. Someone 1000 years ago could live just as long as the oldest people now, they were just more likely to encounter something that killed them before they managed it.

Like a flu?

 

[Xaraman]

Maybe the Emporer is allready 1000years old and thats the cause of his condition^^ just my 2 cents

Except that in a previous galnet release, one of the emperors family (I can't keep track of the character names yet) stated that he was in such a bad way because of his previous narcotics abuse and (I think) refusal to take current life extending therapies. I think the emperor is dying younger than anticipated.

 

[WhosYourDaddyNow]

Maybe the Emporer is allready 1000years old and thats the cause of his condition^^ just my 2 cents

"Emperor Hengist is only 118..." Taken from E: D wiki page. So 118 is considered young in 3300.

 

[Midnight_Sun323]

Yes it does. It means the 20th century was ground-breaking in terms of getting people NOT to die before their body falls apart... Surgery (organ replacement etc.) can help you not fall apart at 85 but that will never get you to anywhere near 1000yo. Not in 50 years time anyway.

Now, if you were to be able to upload your consciousness into a computer and put that computer inside a robot.....

The guy isn't going to be convinced he's wrong, he's someone who believes every article he reads on the Internet. So moving on to a psychology/philosophy topic about robotic consciousness. Assuming you could make a copy of something as intricate as a brain, would it be you, or merely a copy that acts like you? You'd still be dead, and your brain would decay and cease to function. You would no longer exist. To others, you would still be there and they could interact with you, but your life and your being would be gone. I find this most interesting to think about.

 

[Helvellyn]

Like a flu?

Yes. Of course flu can still kill, we've reduced, not eliminated, many risks.

 

[WhosYourDaddyNow]

The guy isn't going to be convinced he's wrong, he's someone who believes every article he reads on the Internet. So moving on to a psychology/philosophy topic about robotic consciousness. Assuming you could make a copy of something as intricate as a brain, would it be you, or merely a copy that acts like you? You'd still be dead, and your brain would decay and cease to function. You would no longer exist. To others, you would still be there and they could interact with you, but your life and your being would be gone. I find this most interesting to think about.

Yes, I totally agree. But it's the whole philosophical debate of cloning. Will the robot (like a clone) have any different outlook on the world than yourself (apart from his self-awareness that he is not the original which might change his attitude a bit)?

What are we if not the sum of our memories...

 

[luma]

The guy isn't going to be convinced he's wrong, he's someone who believes every article he reads on the Internet. So moving on to a psychology/philosophy topic about robotic consciousness. Assuming you could make a copy of something as intricate as a brain, would it be you, or merely a copy that acts like you? You'd still be dead, and your brain would decay and cease to function. You would no longer exist. To others, you would still be there and they could interact with you, but your life and your being would be gone. I find this most interesting to think about.

Dont be presumptuous. Why anyone could be wrong about futurology except you? I cant understand that.

Anyway, back to topic, maybe this is the Allience opportunity to grow.

 

[Daeron]

The first step should be to assassinate all the obvious pretender candidates, so that succession can be as swift and painless as possible. I don't like the sound of any "opportunities".

 

[Midnight_Sun323]

Dont be presumptuous. Why anyone could be wrong about futurology except you? I cant understand that.

Anyway, back to topic, maybe this is the Allience opportunity to grow.

Yeah cool, man. Take some biology courses.

 

[Antichthon]

The guy isn't going to be convinced he's wrong, he's someone who believes every article he reads on the Internet. So moving on to a psychology/philosophy topic about robotic consciousness. Assuming you could make a copy of something as intricate as a brain, would it be you, or merely a copy that acts like you? You'd still be dead, and your brain would decay and cease to function. You would no longer exist. To others, you would still be there and they could interact with you, but your life and your being would be gone. I find this most interesting to think about.

I think you're making the classic dualist fallacy here. From a physicalist perspective, there is no distinction between you and a copy that acts exactly like you. It is interesting to think about, but in actuality, it is a non-issue.

Really though, it would be physically impossible to make a synthetic brain that acts exactly like your own brain. However, my brain now isn't exactly as it was a year ago, but I still consider myself the same person. As long as that illusion of unbroken consciousness continues, I don't see any issue.

 

[luma]

The first step should be to assassinate all the obvious pretender candidates, so that succession can be as swift and painless as possible. I don't like the sound of any "opportunities".

There are 2 candidates to emperor now, right? If anyone else reclaim the chair the chaos is installed.
Federation is having trouble in keep some systems, independents are fighting to freedom.
This is not enough to shake both empires, but its a start.

 

[Freddie Sparkles Jnr]

Emperor in a coma, oh no.
This is serious.

Do you really think he'll pull through?

 

[WhosYourDaddyNow]

Anyway, back to topic, maybe this is the Allience opportunity to grow.

Man I would like that as well, as I got into the game wanting to support the Alliance. But the Alliance is a non-faction right now, as it has no dedicated ship, no real political sway and the Alliance Permit cannot match the Federation Permit for Sol. So, I had to choose the lesser evil of the other two factions, the Federation. If they introduce something new and exciting for the Alliance I might switch though.

 

[luma]

Yeah cool, man. Take some biology courses.

I cant take a bunch of biology courses, as you suggest, and come back later to discuss this with you.
But I can tell you that I have one in physics, does it helps? I think it does, so maybe we could trade some knowledge...

EDIT: but we are turning a fun conversation into a boring one.

About brain copy, it is very plausible to do it, after all everything is physics, even biology! It is theoretically possible to copy atoms, even make them interact electrically to simulate a neuron (cell made of atoms, as everything else as far as we know) and even replace your "old" cells with synthetic ones, more advanced, immortal cells that will build your "new" brain.

 

[luma]

Man I would like that as well, as I got into the game wanting to support the Alliance. But the Alliance is a non-faction right now, as it has no dedicated ship, no real political sway and the Alliance Permit cannot match the Federation Permit for Sol. So, I had to choose the lesser evil of the other two factions, the Federation. If they introduce something new and exciting for the Alliance I might switch though.

Yes, that is this topic's purpose. I have a feeling that everyone is Fed or Imp, but only because that being Allience or only independent is a pain. I think this is the overturn we were waiting for. Time for independence through war, as everything in this galaxy.

 

[Helvellyn]

Really though, it would be physically impossible to make a synthetic brain that acts exactly like your own brain. However, my brain now isn't exactly as it was a year ago, but I still consider myself the same person. As long as that illusion of unbroken consciousness continues, I don't see any issue.

So what happens if that synthetic copy can be created without destroying the original? Two yous, both, from their own perspective, just as valid, and neither keen on the idea of being wiped out even if the other one is still there.

 

[Antichthon]

So what happens if that synthetic copy can be created without destroying the original? Two yous, both, from their own perspective, just as valid, and neither keen on the idea of being wiped out even if the other one is still there.

Yeah, but that's a problem of what to do about it, not about what it is. I for one would be alright with agreeing (Before the process) to kill off my organic self after the process is complete, just to simplify things. I mean, otherwise, you'd have to like, split your possessions. It'd be like breaking up with a significant other. It would just be a whole big legal hassle, I don't want any of mes to deal with that.

 

[Daeron]

There are 2 candidates to emperor now, right? If anyone else reclaim the chair the chaos is installed.
Federation is having trouble in keep some systems, independents are fighting to freedom.
This is not enough to shake both empires, but its a start.

There has been some talk about "out of the bloodline" succession. I would start there, and as for the actual candidates, it is in the cards that the Emperor might never be able to address all the formalities. If in doubt, remove the source of doubt. I consider His Will to be Law, anything else is a distraction. Arissa is the next in line. Period. Anything else is a bid for power. The moment Hengist joins his Glorious Ancestors, some will feel compelled to bring endless technicalities to the table, which is unhealthy when it should only be a matter of getting it done as fast as possible. We don't need drama, we only need action! Suck it up, or be a target, is all I can say!

 

[luma]

Yeah, but that's a problem of what to do about it, not about what it is. I for one would be alright with agreeing (Before the process) to kill off my organic self after the process is complete, just to simplify things. I mean, otherwise, you'd have to like, split your possessions. It'd be like breaking up with a significant other. It would just be a whole big legal hassle, I don't want any of mes to deal with that.

Maybe replacing cells is the way to get a "copy" of you. One by one you could replace "traditional cells" by new synthetic ones, for all the body parts. After this process you would be the same guy with "cells v.1.0".

 

[luma]

There has been some talk about "out of the bloodline" succession. I would start there, and as for the actual candidates, it is in the cards that the Emperor might never be able to address all the formalities. If in doubt, remove the source of doubt. I consider His Will to be Law, anything else is a distraction. Arissa is the next in line. Period. Anything else is a bid for power. The moment Hengist joins his Glorious Ancestors, some will feel compelled to bring endless technicalities to the table, which is unhealthy when it should only be a matter of getting it done as fast as possible. We don't need drama, we only need action! Suck it up, or be a target, is all I can say!

So, the non bloodline guy (cant remember the guys name) will disappear before Arissa take the throne. There is no possibilities to break the empire stability and divide it in 2?
Because we need a new plot for Allience, and some interesting one, and I can only see it happens in the middle of chaos. Don't you?