"Entirely different save profiles"

[DrinkyBird]

So, basically, the choice (for Horizons players) is to stick with the zombified 3.8 and retain game-mechanics that are 2nd-nature and planet-tech that generates interesting terrain or switch to 4.0 and be forced to learn a bunch of new game-mechanics and accept the (generally) less interesting topography of Odyssey?

The mechanics of Horizons is the same in both 3.8 and 4.0? And generally 4.0 makes more interesting terrain on average, most 3.8 planets are flat and brown... 3.8 has better extremes, 4.0 better averages - and most planets aren't extremes.

So here's a question: suppose a person has until this point played solely 3.8 and not 4.0 or EDO. In a year and a half from now they decide to buy EDO and "upgrade". What does the new commander start with? Whatever they had on 11-29-22?

Depends on if that commander decided to play Horizons in Live or Legacy from the 29th.

 

[Riverside]

So here's a question: suppose a person has until this point played solely 3.8 and not 4.0 or EDO. In a year and a half from now they decide to buy EDO and "upgrade". What does the new commander start with? Whatever they had on 11-29-22?

Customers without Odyssey will be able to progress in 4.0 until they get Odd. If they don't use 4.0 then yes, whatever they had when the split happened.

 

[Stealthie]

I agree it is a mess and I'm far from convinced that the story will be worth the trouble. Looking forward to seeing what they build on the foundations Odyssey/4.0 has laid down though

See, that's the thing.

As an Odyssey owner, sticking with 4.0, getting the benefit of space-legs and getting to see future narrative and gameplay update would seem to be a no-brainer.

Trouble is, it means setting aside a lot of the game-mechanics that I was familiar with, leaving behind all the planet-tech that I used to enjoy and (potentially) forgetting about a bunch of people who I currently know in-game (depending on which version they decide to adopt).

The decision isn't as clear-cut as it first seems.
It seems like (subjectively) ED's "finest hour" was probably at the height of the original Horizons season and I wonder how many players won't want to leave that behind just for the sake of a variety of "tat" that's been added since then?

 

[Riverside]

See, that's the thing.

As an Odyssey owner, sticking with 4.0, getting the benefit of space-legs and getting to see future narrative and gameplay update would seem to be a no-brainer.

Trouble is, it means setting aside a lot of the game-mechanics that I was familiar with, leaving behind all the planet-tech that I used to enjoy and (potentially) forgetting about a bunch of people who I currently know in-game (depending on which version they decide to adopt).

The decision isn't as clear-cut as it first seems.
It seems like (subjectively) ED's "finest hour" was probably at the height of the original Horizons season and I wonder how many players won't want to leave that behind just for the sake of a variety of "tat" that's been added since then?

With two separate Cmdrs I think many will hedge their bets & attempt to maintain both until it becomes clear which one will be better for them. Which means double the workload for BGSers, mats gatherers & anyone still new enough that they are still in the progression phase of the gameplay they are interested in.

I am in the fortunate position that I have gone past the progression stage, I have all the ships I need (unless more are added) & only my location will be a significant difference (I'm out exploring on my own carrier).

I don't have time to get my Cmdr & carrier to a good location where I can leave one & carry on with the other so for the next few weeks I plan to fuel & move my 'legacy'' carrier back to the bubble where I can leave it, then switch to 'live' and decide whether to carry on wandering about or go back to the bubble to help repair or whatever.

As you say, it isn't clear cut. I'm hoping the decision over which one to choose will become more clear by the time I need to decide what to do with my Live Cmdr. I haven't had 3.8 installed for months, it is ironic that update 14 is ging to make me re-install it just to handle the consequences of Fdev's short notice on this change. A returning Cmdr who hasn't played in a long time is less likely to have this issue, they can just pick one & run with it, probably the live one because they presumably stopped playing when got bored with the legacy one & the new stuff might motivate them to play (and buy ARX).

 

[Slamdance_Kozmopolis]

I have two ED:O accounts...
However, up to this point there's really nothing in Odyssey that appeals to me enough to put up with bugs, terrible UI, and lack of VR support.

Luck for me, both my ED:O commanders are sitting on a billion cr. each.

Once the split happens, I plan to play exclusively in legacy mode unless FDev actually rebalances engineering or VASTLY improves some other ED:O content.

For brand new players, there's really no reason to play legacy unless you can't run ED:O...

If this game has a future, that's were it lies, but I'm skeptical.

 

[Hooplah]

I'm totally confused.

Is 3.8 Horizons and 4.0 Odyssey?
What is Live and Legacy? How do they apply to 3.8 and 4.0?

I looked in my ED folders and see 3.8 and 4.0 files. I'll run Horizons (whatever it is) which works better for some game play like outfitting then off to Odyssey for on foot missions. Will these now be separated and I will have to pick one as the other won't be updated with my game play? If yes I'll miss the ease of using Horizons.

I have two PC accounts. One in the bubble and the other in Colonia so I've been separated for years.

Regards

UPDATE: Thanks for the replies. So looking at the GUIs...

3.8 Horizons (legacy) is separate and will have the older GUIs, will not interface with the 4.0 versions plus much less support as in as in CGs etc.
4.0 Odyssey will have the latest GUIs and interface with 4.0 Horizons updating player activity on both.
4.0 Horizons (live) will will interface with 4.0 Odyssey and interface with 4.0 Odyssey updating player activity.on both.

So basically Frontier is moving on with Horizons and Odyssey games for sale both using 4.0 GUIs. No more 3.8 GUI versions? We will see after the Tuesday update. Well technology moves on and I cannot fault them for that. I'm thankful that they still let me play the game on a Windows 7 PC.

Given Update 14 is a MAJOR upgrade I'll be working all the cashes and bugs that always occurs not using by best ships to check it out until maybe Saturday. It always happens. Also per an upgrade maybe the Devs listened to players or not and upgraded the GUIs incorporating what 3.8 GUIs do better then I won't need them anymore. We'll see.

See you after the update

 

[fennster]

I'm totally confused.

Is 3.8 Horizons and 4.0 Odyssey?
What is Live and Legacy? How do they apply to 3.8 and 4.0?

I looked in my ED folders and see 3.8 and 4.0 files. I'll run Horizons (whatever it is) which works better for some game play like outfitting then off to Odyssey for on foot missions. Will these now be separated and I will have to pick one as the other won't be updated with my game play? If yes I'll miss the ease of using Horizons.

I have two PC accounts. One in the bubble and the other in Colonia so I've been separated for years.

Regards

You'll have...

Horizons 3.8 legacy
Horizons 4.0 live
Odyssey 4.0 live

To choose from as an Odyssey owner. Horizons 3.8 legacy is entirely separated from both 4.0 versions in everyway, and will no longer have CGs and updates.

 

[DrinkyBird]

I'm totally confused.

Is 3.8 Horizons and 4.0 Odyssey?
What is Live and Legacy? How do they apply to 3.8 and 4.0?

I looked in my ED folders and see 3.8 and 4.0 files. I'll run Horizons (whatever it is) which works better for some game play like outfitting then off to Odyssey for on foot missions. Will these now be separated and I will have to pick one as the other won't be updated with my game play? If yes I'll miss the ease of using Horizons.

I have two PC accounts. One in the bubble and the other in Colonia so I've been separated for years.

Regards

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Live = Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey.
Legacy = Horizons 3.8.

The Live and Legacy galaxies are separate; diverging from the 29th. Yes, that includes the thing you just thought of. And that other thing, that's separate too.

 

[Vardaugas]

You can now restart your comander without needing to buy a second copy. I think. Why don't you just delete your commander and report back, yeah?

 

[Stealthie]

I'm totally confused.

Is 3.8 Horizons and 4.0 Odyssey?
What is Live and Legacy? How do they apply to 3.8 and 4.0?

I looked in my ED folders and see 3.8 and 4.0 files. I'll run Horizons (whatever it is) which works better for some game play like outfitting then off to Odyssey for on foot missions. Will these now be separated and I will have to pick one as the other won't be updated with my game play? If yes I'll miss the ease of using Horizons.

I have two PC accounts. One in the bubble and the other in Colonia so I've been separated for years.

Regards

Yeah, basically.

The issue is that, after the next update, your Horizons/3.8/Legacy progress and your Odyssey/4.0/Live progress will be entirely separate.
You won't be able to do stuff in Horizons/3.8/Legacy and then see it in Odyssey/4.0/Live because the stuff you do in one version of the game is exclusive to that version of the game.

Honestly, I'm not sure what'll happen with the various menus and GUIs.
If we only have the choice of playing the "Live" or "Legacy" versions of the game (regardless of whether we own Odyssey or not) then presumably the "Live" version of the game will adopt all the latest, Odyssey-style, GUIs and the only way to stick with the Horizons GUIs will be to play the "Legacy" game.

 

[Morbad]

On the one hand, I almost wish they would just restrict people to the single, most recent, version of the game they have access to.

They would have, if the most recent version worked satisfactorily on enough client systems, but it doesn't. The console versions were scrapped and 3.8.x runs on much lower-end PCs than 4.x.

They need to host the old build if they want to sell cosmetics to a substantial subset of their market. There is also probably an issue with refunding people who couldn't migrate if they just discontinued 3.8. I'd wager there are a lot more 3.8.x players that cannot run 4.x than there were Mac players, or those limited to 32-bit or DX10 when they ended support for those.

 

[amigacooke]

Unless you have a specific reason for wanting to play a completely separate commander on legacy, forget about legacy and just play on live.

It’s almost like that’s the strategy to reduce activity in Legacy so it can be disposed of later.

 

[Northpin]

forgetting about a bunch of people who I currently know in-game (depending on which version they decide to adopt).

It's the same thing happening if you chose to stop playing ED and move to... lets say... NMS
Basically we're talking about in-game_friends. AKA the friends you make in every multiplayer game you may play.
And dont tell me that you're playing a game because other people play it and not because you like it.

IMO there is little to no room for a dilemma here. You like the game, you play it, you will make friends in it.

 

[Sunyavadin]

The announcement made it pretty clear that they will be separate games/saves, just like what they do with betas.

Has pros and cons, but was evidently the path of least resistance...which has long been the modus operandi when it comes to this game. No issues with maintaining compatibility and no need for compatibility updates.

My major hope being that they at least put a modicum of time into restoring the feaures the Odyssey Compatibility updates to 3.8 broke, like buying clothing for our cmdrs on console, which was "temporarily" disabled pending the console launch of Odyssey and the shift to the new outfit system, though we can still equip purchased flight suits and the like bought before that update in holo-me.
Maybe they could even flip the switch to turn the automated thargoid invasions Eagle Eye pointed out back on, for the AX players.

 

[gooddoc]

....
After the 29th, players will need to commit to one mode or the other--either ED 4.0/Odyssey or Legacy.

As buggy, grindy, and (IMO) un-fun as Odyssey is, I'll be sticking with legacy mode.

I'm saying this as someone who owns two copies of ED:O. (yeah, I know)

I will be carrying on playing EDO in the live version & ignoring the Legacy mode altogether.
Not sure how it'll affect my 2nd account & 3rd 'Epic' accounts......don't really use those now anyway.

 

[Old Duck]

I will be carrying on playing EDO in the live version & ignoring the Legacy mode altogether.
Not sure how it'll affect my 2nd account & 3rd 'Epic' accounts......don't really use those now anyway.

IIRC all accounts will be cloned over to Legacy. Their wording makes it sound like the current server is the Live server, and the clones move over to a newly-established Legacy server. In other words, it should be "business as usual" for people playing Live, except that you'll get new 4.0-exclusive features.

 

[Northpin]

I play 3x PC accounts and i was occasionally playing my XB account too (especially during certain CG)

I would definitely not be able to play 7 accounts (3x Live, 4x Legacy)
So yea, it seems it will be only Live for me (i wasnt doing much 3.8 playing anyway - just some raws farming mostly and the occasional swap to 3.8 as an workaround for a bug)

 

[gooddoc]

IIRC all accounts will be cloned over to Legacy. Their wording makes it sound like the current server is the Live server, and the clones move over to a newly-established Legacy server. In other words, it should be "business as usual" for people playing Live, except that you'll get new 4.0-exclusive features.

Yeah, I know they will be......pity really, I'll have SIX cmdr's on the go, yet I'll only be playing the one with 11.5k+ hrs on the clock

Edit:........my Odyssey cmdr

 

[amigacooke]

Yeah, I know they will be......pity really, I'll have SIX cmdr's on the go, yet I'll only be playing the one with 11.5k+ hrs on the clock

Edit:........my Odyssey cmdr

Formerly a Beyond commander, formerly a Horizons commander, formerly a Elite Dangerous commander (I'm guessing)

The trail's been long.

 

[Slamdance_Kozmopolis]

I will be carrying on playing EDO in the live version & ignoring the Legacy mode altogether.
Not sure how it'll affect my 2nd account & 3rd 'Epic' accounts......don't really use those now anyway.

Unless you have a fleet carrier, those other accounts should remain unchanged.

Both my current accounts have 1 billion + cr. so I'm not really concerned about progression.

I'm mostly concerned about avoiding all the annoying little bugs and interface that infest 4.0.

3.8 is just a far better gameplay experience for the content I like--ship building/engineering & combat.

About the only thing that would convince me to put up with all the things I dislike in 4.0 is if FDev actually did the Engineering rebalance they teased.

As it is, I'll watch the "story" on youtube.