Essential European animal wishlist

[juice_box]

Not really. Barnyard animals are a fixture of zoos all over the world, including run-of-the-mill dairy cows, sheep, chickens, ponies, donkeys, llamas, and so on. Not to mention, most turkeys and yaks and so on in zoos are domesticated because they're more accessible and can often be acquired through livestock markets.

Fair enough. I think there is a hierarchy and you disagree.

I think Dromedary, Wild Yak and Llama are more important to this game in terms of appeasing the largest amount of people. You disagree. If you would rather have domestic cats or chickens in this simulation of a zoo that's fine.

My point is I would bet money, real money that more people want Llama or Dromedary in this game over common house pets, like domestic cats and dogs (since it's a zoo game, not the sims)


Feel free to disagree

 

[yoav_r]

Llama

The llama is in the game already, and is domesticated.

 

[Marvinb]

Fair enough. I think there is a hierarchy and you disagree.

I think Dromedary, Wild Yak and Llama are more important to this game in terms of appeasing the largest amount of people. You disagree. If you would rather have domestic cats or chickens in this simulation of a zoo that's fine.

My point is I would bet money, real money that more people want Llama or Dromedary in this game over common house pets, like domestic cats and dogs (since it's a zoo game, not the sims)


Feel free to disagree

Noone is talking about cats and dogs tho.

 

[Captain Callum]

If you would rather have domestic cats or chickens

I always laugh when i see this, literally no one is requesting domestic household pets especially cats and dogs (well maybe the golden retriever for the cheetah). All we want to a small amount of petting zoo animals like goats and cattle to push the diversity of the game, I seriously can't see how adding like 2 or 3 more domestic animals is the end of the world.

 

[juice_box]

Noone is talking about cats and dogs tho.

Yes. We were discussing domesticated animals.


Therefore we were talking about domestic cats and dogs.

Anyone who wants to read previous comments can see this.

(Domesticated animals can live on farms or in your house, I did not think I had to explain that... a household pet IS A DOMESTICATED ANIMALS LMAO)

Respectfully, I see the issue. Many people on this forum don't understand that HOUSEHOLD PETS are domesticated animals.


Google for more information. I didn't write the articles on google.

 

[juice_box]

I always laugh when i see this, literally no one is requesting domestic household pets especially cats and dogs (well maybe the golden retriever for the cheetah). All we want to a small amount of petting zoo animals like goats and cattle to push the diversity of the game, I seriously can't see how adding like 2 or 3 more domestic animals is the end of the world.

I see your point.

If you want a small amount of goats and cattle to increase diversity. I would argue, wisent, musk ox, lowland anoa, markhor and takin are FAR better choices.

Again it's an opinion.

You want domestic cow and sheep. Okay.

I don't. I would prefer a dozen non domesticated species that are also found in zoos.

Instead of requesting bland petting zoo/farm animals.


It's preference.

 

[Marvinb]

Yes. We were discussing domesticated animals.


Therefore we were talking about domestic cats and dogs.

Anyone who wants to read previous comments can see this.

(Domesticated animals can vmbe on farms or in your house, I did not think I had to explain that...)

Respectfully, I see the issue. Many people on this forum don't understand that HOUSEHOLD PETS are domesticated animals.


Google for more information. I didn't write the articles on google.

Yeah i do understand that cats and dogs are domestic animals. What im saying is that those are not the types of animals people are requesting when they wish for domestics

 

[juice_box]

People HAVE asked for doemsticated pets (check the forums for proof, you just have to type domestic, cat, or dogs into the search bar.
Also people typically ask for...Watusi cattle.

I would prefer wisent or literally ANY bovine cattle that are not domesticated.

Again...preference. If you want dairy cow or highland cattle okay...but I would prefer literally ANY non domesticated species (personally speaking)

I ALSO BET watusi cattle or pygmy goats are FAR less popular than lowland anoa or some of the non domesticated goat species (takin, musk ox, big hirn sheep, chamois, markhor etc)


That was my pojnt lmao.

There is a HIERARCHICY. People want things more than others.


People want AVIARIES more than Desert dlc

And some species are less popular than others. Didn't think that was new information lmao

A domesticated goat is FAR less popular than a Takin, or a Musk Ox or a Chamois lol

 

[Captain Callum]

There is a HIERARCHICY. People want things more than others

Well yeah, join the club

 

[NZFanatic]

I think there is a hierarchy and you disagree.

That isn't even the least bit relevant to a wishlist.

I literally can't understand why there's an issue with people wishing for domestic animals to you. As I said, petting zoos/barnyards/children's zoos exist in pretty much every major zoo. One might even consider domestic species necessary to complete an actual realistic zoo in the game. The llama alone isn't enough.

For example, were we discussing Oceanian animals, I would 100% advocate for the kunekune pig, largely because it's one of the only NZ animals kept in international collections.

 

[Leaf Productions]

Yes. We were discussing domesticated animals.


Therefore we were talking about domestic cats and dogs.

Anyone who wants to read previous comments can see this.

(Domesticated animals can live on farms or in your house, I did not think I had to explain that... a household pet IS A DOMESTICATED ANIMALS LMAO)

Respectfully, I see the issue. Many people on this forum don't understand that HOUSEHOLD PETS are domesticated animals.


Google for more information. I didn't write the articles on google.

A household pet is a domestic animal but domestic animals aren’t pets

A square is a rectangle just as a rectangle is not a square itself.

Beyond that, literally nobody is saying anything about cats. Dogs? I can kind of understand. But that’s not going to happen.

Zoos have petting zoos. Zoos have farm animals. Zoos have domestic animals. Conservation happens for livestock as well. Look at the Arapawa goat. It’s borderline extinct due to the breed not being popular and almost died out.

Stuff like the Watusi, Domestic Yak, Dromedary Camel, Nubian Goats and more deserve to be in this game just as much as a tiger or an antelope. “Farm” animals will always be zoo animals no matter what argument.

You’re consistently bringing up hierarchy and it makes no sense. There’s no clear thing that says people want an Anoa over another animal - because you don’t know what everyone wants. The Meta wishlist can help to some degree but not the overall community. People want different stuff and that’s okay - especially farm animals.

 

[RightWhale]

A household pet is a domestic animal but domestic animals aren’t pets

A square is a rectangle just as a rectangle is not a square itself.

Beyond that, literally nobody is saying anything about cats. Dogs? I can kind of understand. But that’s not going to happen.

Zoos have petting zoos. Zoos have farm animals. Zoos have domestic animals. Conservation happens for livestock as well. Look at the Arapawa goat. It’s borderline extinct due to the breed not being popular and almost died out.

Stuff like the Watusi, Domestic Yak, Dromedary Camel, Nubian Goats and more deserve to be in this game just as much as a tiger or an antelope. “Farm” animals will always be zoo animals no matter what argument.

You’re consistently bringing up hierarchy and it makes no sense. There’s no clear thing that says people want an Anoa over another animal - because you don’t know what everyone wants. The Meta wishlist can help to some degree but not the overall community. People want different stuff and that’s okay - especially farm animals.

Thank you Mr. Leaf, from the popular channel Leaf Productions.

Seriously though this has been something I have wanted more and more. At least where I live I can only think of one “zoo” (It’s more of a science center to display rescued local species) that doesn’t have domestic animals. A petting zoo/ barn area is important in every zoo. Besides being a place for parents to let kids relax and often being child focused, they rescue breeds of animal. Franklin park zoo has Poitou Donkeys, which are super cool! On top of that domestic watusi cattle can be kept with wild animals, I think the Illinois zoo keeps them with red river hogs, Roger Williams keeps them with zebra and wildebeest, and another zoo keeps them with camels. Also with domestic animals we could get petting zoo areas in game, on top of letting guests feed animals.

I know a lot of people really don’t want “domestic animals” in game, but we are missing an entire section of zoos we can only just barely represent in a zoo builder. Petting zoos are up there with aviaries/birds, and better exhibits for what I really want to see be fixed or added to game.

 

[juice_box]

That isn't even the least bit relevant to a wishlist.

I said there is a hierarchy of animals to make this game.

Some are better choices than others.

"You said that is not relevant to a wishlist."

LOL oh really?

Of course a hierarchy is relevant to what animals make the game. It would be insane to think EVERY animal is equally wanted, or equally deserves to be in the game. It's just not true dude 5.5 million species are not all requested the same amount...

Not even agree to disagree.

Because you can want a new zealand pig breed. Although you might be slightly biased since you are from new zealand...

Where is the KuneKune on the metawishlist?

I would prefer wild boar or ANY peccary species instead. That's MY hierarchy for a zoo. Because I don't go to zoos in real life to see pygmy goats or pigs. My friend has a farm and I rarely (I never visit) just to see his pigs and cows...there is no draw to that.

And Leaf, just search domestic, cat or dogs into the search bar. I did and proved it to myself. You can do that too if you actually want proof.

I just Just checked the metawishlist...donesticated animals are very low on the list...so obviously lower on the animal hierarchy. Kunekune pig has one single vote.
So if you voted for it, that means you are the ONLY person who voted for it.

Again, respectfully that's not a popular animal. The hierarchy is not MY opinion or YOURS. It is taking into consideration hundreds of votes from other people. It's looking at the entire community and gauging what is the most requested.

Feel free to check it for yourself (for proof, to see what I see). You don't have to take my words, see for yourself. It's not an opinion, when one animal has more votes than another.

That's called a hierarchy.

 

[Leaf Productions]

Look up dog.

I said there is a hierarchy of animals to make this game.

Some are better choices than others.

"You said that is not relevant to a wishlist."

LOL oh really?

Of course a hierarchy is relevant to what animals make the game. It would be insane to think EVERY animal is equally wanted, or equally deserves to be in the game. It's just not true dude 5.5 million species are not all requested the same amount...

Not even agree to disagree.

Because you can want a new zealand pig breed. Although you might be slightly biased since you are from new zealand...

Where is the KuneKune on the metawishlist?

I would prefer wild boar or ANY peccary species instead. That's MY hierarchy for a zoo. Because I don't go to zoos in real life to see pygmy goats or pigs. My friend has a farm and I rarely (I never visit) just to see his pigs and cows...there is no draw to that.

And Leaf, just search domestic, cat or dogs into the search bar. I did and proved it to myself. You can do that too if you actually want proof.

I just Just checked the metawishlist...donesticated animals are very low on the list...so obviously lower on the animal hierarchy. Kunekune pig has one single vote.
So if you voted for it, that means you are the ONLY person who voted for it.

Again, respectfully that's not a popular animal. The hierarchy is not MY opinion or YOURS. It is taking into consideration hundreds of votes from other people. It's looking at the entire community and gauging what is the most requested.

Feel free to check it for yourself (for proof, to see what I see). You don't have to take my words, see for yourself. It's not an opinion, when one animal has more votes than another.

That's called a hierarchy.

By your logic look up Dog. You will find domestic dog. Not African Wild Dog. so we should not get African Wild Dogs in the game.

Your logic is horrible. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Domestics are common in zoo's, and should not only be allowed, but embraced in a zoo game.

 

[TheYeti]

@Leaf Productions, while I agree with most of your reasoning, there are African wild dogs in the game already so this particular argument doesn't hold.

@juice_box, it's okay if you prefer to not have domestic species. I think many of us would like it, as can be seen from the many Forum and Reddit threads where people discuss domestic animals (either as a standalone pack or as part of another DLC). This may not be as visible in the META-wishlist, because people want general petting zoo animal species, rather than any specific one (like some people just wanted a general sloth or a general gibbon or generally more species from Australia/South America). I also think many people like me decided not to vote for domestic animals despite wanting them, simply because no specific individual species stands out over the other 25 in our list. However, this doesn't mean that domestic animals in general should lose priority over specific more obscure species even when these are relatively more requested.

Even if we do use the META-wishlist as an argument, we have to keep in mind that the Forum is pretty biased towards species interested in conservation as the player base that is active here has relatively more knowledge about wildlife. However, I'm sure that to the average player (including both those active and non-active on the Forum), a pygmy goat, chicken or pig would be more recognisable than a lowland anoa or Tasmanian devil (besides, the former are more common in zoos). While I love the tropical DLC, I foresee sales being lower because the more casual management player cares less about architecture and may not be interested in niche species like a fossa or water monitor. Yet, I believe these players would definitely be interested in petting zoo species.

In general, I think petting zoo/domestic animals would be an enormous success, as:

• They're highly recognisable to every player (unlike many of the quite obscure species currently on top of the META-wishlist).
• They allow for a totally new type of habitats, different from anything that you would build for the current in-game species.
• Even though they seem as boring species to many players, for some it's still special to see i.e. goats or cattle as not everyone lives close to the countryside. I went to the Singapore zoo with a friend who was most excited to see goats.
• Such an update could come with new guest interactions with habitat animals.

EDIT: @Matyej167 Just checked where the discussion actually started, and based on that I would say that domestic animals should be allowed for the list. Maybe not everyone wants them and that's fair, but that goes for every species on there. However, I don't think it's fair to put this restriction on the list when you're asking people for their opinion and when we already have precedence for domestic species in DLCs.

 

[Matyej167]

You argue about domesticated animals.

I will make an Essential domesticated animal wishlist thread, so keep calm!

 

[RightWhale]

You argue about domesticated animals.

I will make an Essential domesticated animal wishlist thread, so keep calm!

Let’s gooo, while there isn’t a lot of farm animals I consider essential I think there are some pretty cool breeds!

 

[FortressDoor]

I see your point.

If you want a small amount of goats and cattle to increase diversity. I would argue, wisent, musk ox, lowland anoa, markhor and takin are FAR better choices.

I've been to a decent number of zoos. Most of them do not have any of these species. Every single zoo I've visited has had some variety of domesticated animals, be it goats, pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Planet Zoo is a zoo management game, not a interesting animal collection game, so I'm more interested in animals that will allow us to create the same kind of zoos as the ones I visit.

 

[The Carcharodontogenius]

You argue about domesticated animals.

I will make an Essential domesticated animal wishlist thread, so keep calm!

 

[juice_box]

Look up dog.

By your logic look up Dog. You will find domestic dog. Not African Wild Dog. so we should not get African Wild Dogs in the game.

Your logic is horrible. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Domestics are common in zoo's, and should not only be allowed, but embraced in a zoo game.

You misunderstood Leaf!
I am not saying SEARCH the word Dog and Cat.
I was trying to beat around the bush.

Me: If you would rather have domestic cats or chickens in this simulation of a zoo that's fine.
MarvinB: Noone is talking about cats and dogs tho.
Leaf: Beyond that, literally nobody is saying anything about cats. Dogs? I can kind of understand.
Me: just search domestic, cat or dogs into the search bar. I did and proved it to myself. You can do that too if you actually want proof.
Me: Yes. We were discussing domesticated animals (in general being included in the game). Therefore we were talking about domestic cats and domestic dogs.

1) type "domestic" into the search bar
2) for example look for "everything petting zoo/farm/domestic animals pack" OR look for "dog breeds pack for Planet Zoo" OR look for the "25 animal metawishlist"
3) search or find the word "domestic" "cats" or "dogs" and you can see all the times people have requested those animals

When I said search for domestic, cat or dogs into the search bar for proof, I did that and found several posts where people requested domestic animals, cats or dogs.
Some people are talking about cats and dogs.

In fact Leaf even commented on March 19 2023 in the "dog breeds pack for Planet Zoo"

Leaf: "Just for the sh*tpost alone I'd love this pack. Give me 8 domestic dogs to just throw in my zoo. Bonus points for Chihuahuas that never stop barking"
It was a joke. But you did say it. You did say you'd LOVE dogs.

And one last thing Domestics are common in zoo's, and should not only be allowed, but embraced in a zoo game.

That's correct. I never said no to domestic species. I said some domesticated species are better choices than others.

To clarify, there are domestic dromedary, and alpaca which I would love in this game. Budgies? Or Guineafowl, might be domesticated? I would LOVE guineafowl.
And the metawishlist has domestic species low. Furthermore, the few domestic species with decent votes (pygmy goats or vietnamese pigs) are still less popular than wild boar, or takin or musk ox...wild caprids and wild suids.

While the inclusion of domestic turkey, or domestic yak instead of their will counterparts seems like a bad idea to me. (and also the metawishlist has more votes for WILD yak and WILD turkey instead of domesticated ones, that's my point again, there is a HIERARCHY)

"Your logic is horrible. I'm sorry, but it's true."

Hey now, hey now don't dream it's over.
- crowded house

[I want to be as polite and respectful as possible. Just my humble opinion. I hope it is allowed. We can disagree in this forum and still respect each other.]