EuroGamer: The state of Elite Dangerous (according to its most prominent players)

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An argument I consider to be not necessarily as representative as portrayed in the article and instead based on the viewpoints expressed by representing the view of 3 particular players (two of whom are PvPers and therefore arguably represent the minority), yet supposedly based on the input of a 'raft' (implying widespread) of players? A 3-person canoe more like, touted as being the authoritative position of the opinion of the playerbase. Maybe it is for all I know, but I know they don't speak for me, nor for many, many others I'd wager. Like I indicated in my previous post, even I don't agree with all of Frontier's design priorities, but nor do I agree with such articles presenting themselves as representative of the playerbase at large based on the opinions of a handful of players, arguably players with a larger axe to grind than many of the rest of us. Doesn't make them altogether wrong but doesn't make the article altogether right either.

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For mine it's not simply a case of defending Frontier.....just a case of not accepting/believing (blindly or otherwise) or simply not agreeing with some of the claptrap from certain players or journalists either.

*face palm*

Again... OOOR you could just attack the argument, not the person. You haven't actually once addressed why their argument is wrong.
 
The same with the article. Glorifying an immature troll (HP) rather than picking out a guy who presents arguments well and without sensationalist drama. Also Obsidian has 78000 Youtube subs (and 13 million views!) vs Nightshady's 237. Journalistic bias, lazy research or both?

OA already posted his views. They matched those of the article.
 
Dress it up or down however you like. The majority of those who bought the game no longer play it. Mile wide, inch deep is basically synonymous with Elite at this point. Lots of players are fed up with a lack of game play and empty grind.

Braben himself said average play time is 60 hours. For a game with a multi year dev plan, that's...bad. really bad.
 
Just like third party dev's fixing base game functionality. :)

Precisely ;)

I so wanted the eddb strike pre salome to last at least a few weeks instead of just, how long was it, a day? Third party devs and OA have no idea how much power they hold in their hands against fdevs.
 
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OA already posted his views. They matched those of the article.

I agree with this statement( OA's in general), and to add to the fact that we're acting like because of someones notoriety or infamy in the game, that doesn't give them the right to critique the game. Of course then we have the moderators who come to jeer at the article saying how its not news worthy because its exactly that, a critique about the overall progress of development about the game they love.

Its okay to keep pretending that Harry Potter may be the bad guy, but its sad to see that people are making him out to be the reason to disregard their views. The same going with other players who made their critique known, they are just voicing frustrations that OA has voiced throughout dozens of his videos.

I saw a statement earlier about being childish and stamping our feet to make change, maybe its time to look at the people defending the game as the ones being childish. Lets look, not acknowledging its POOR Multiplayer structure, the poor implementation of features such as PP and Engineers, the consistent bugs that linger throughout patches, the lack of quality of life features which require third party tools. I mean, its hard enough for us in Open to get a fight with instancing providing 50% of the issues and then people blocking you as the other 25% despite them showing up in your instance. Its hard enough to even get a fight because Open Play isn't promoted in any shape or form, all there is for a community is the Background Simulation feature, which gives you the option to influence from the safety where the community can't actually touch you.
 
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Flawed selective data thrown into trashy journalism. Who cares tbh?

Opinion piece that asks people to critique a product with an opinionated peer response. How coy.

The article was not starting out as a survey, it was starting out with the state of the game from the view of a few pilots who represent some player groups which do actually try to get involved with the story.
 
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I agree with this statement( OA's in general), and to add to the fact that we're acting like because of someones notoriety or infamy in the game, that doesn't give them the right to critique the game. Of course then we have the moderators who come to jeer at the article saying how its not news worthy because its exactly that, a critique about the overall progress of development about the game they love.

Its okay to keep pretending that Harry Potter may be the bad guy, but its sad to see that people are making him out to be the reason to disregard their views. The same going with other players who made their critique known, they are just voicing frustrations that OA has voiced throughout dozens of his videos.

I saw a statement earlier about being childish and stamping our feet to make change, maybe its time to look at the people defending the game as the ones being childish. Lets look, not acknowledging its POOR Multiplayer structure, the poor implementation of features such as PP and Engineers, the consistent bugs that linger throughout patches, the lack of quality of life features which require third party tools. I mean, its hard enough for us in Open to get a fight with instancing providing 50% of the issues and then people blocking you as the other 25% despite them showing up in your instance. Its hard enough to even get a fight because Open Play isn't promoted in any shape or form, all there is for a community is the Background Simulation feature, which gives you the option to influence from the safety where the community can't actually touch you.

It's not news because no one said anything that hasn't already been said. It has less to do with the critique. You forget that people here reiterate the same points over and over. The article echoes things a lot of us have been saying for a while and you don't need someone's idea of 'most prominent players' to find out what people think. So yes, it can be distilled down to "Some people like Elite and the development, some don't.. News at 11." It wasn't a bad article, it just objectively not news.

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Flawed selective data thrown into trashy journalism. Who cares tbh?

That's incorrect and inflammatory. They didn't pull the upset out of their behinds and neither did the players that participated.

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The majority of those who bought the game no longer play it.

That statement is flawed because, at any given time, any number of people that bought the game might be taking a break due to various reasons. So this sentence in particular has no meaning. The rest of it is fine as an opinion.
 
It's not news because no one said anything that hasn't already been said. It has less to do with the critique. You forget that people here reiterate the same points over and over. The article echoes things a lot of us have been saying for a while and you don't need someone's idea of 'most prominent players' to find out what people think. So yes, it can be distilled down to "Some people like Elite and the development, some don't.. News at 11." It wasn't a bad article, it just objectively not news.

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That's incorrect and inflammatory. They didn't pull the upset out of their behinds and neither did the players that participated.



News was the misinterpreted word, since its general misuse in the thread, but yes that's the truth, its your typical opinion piece in any magazine/newspaper that will state one or two viewpoints on any given topic. I still don't like that their views were being dismissed by a specific few because of their reputation in game, or because their views might not be the same as yours, and that somehow doesn't make them complaints. It's quite the opposite when in reality that these guys actually do care about the game so much that they must find any and every way to get enjoyment out of this game in what little doses there actually is outside the fun flight model.
 
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*face palm*

Again... OOOR you could just attack the argument, not the person. You haven't actually once addressed why their argument is wrong.

And you seem to have problems with the notion that someone might not share all of the OPINIONS presented in the article. I don't disagree with all the positions presented, but nor do I share them all. It's that simple. And the opinions of one of those three in particular I wouldn't ever give the time of day. Deal with it.
 
And you seem to have problems with the notion that someone might not share all of the OPINIONS presented in the article. I don't disagree with all the positions presented, but nor do I share them all. It's that simple. And the opinions of one of those three in particular I wouldn't ever give the time of day. Deal with it.

No, I have a problem with the fact that you've not once addressed the issues raised either there or in this thread but instead started with "Arcanonn? pfft pfft Arcanonn? pfft".

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I saw a statement earlier about being childish and stamping our feet to make change, maybe its time to look at the people defending the game as the ones being childish.

100% agree.
 
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