I'll be returning with my Alt-CMDR this weekend and will be cashing in about 30-40 WD. Will provide the data here when done, if nobody else has done so before that.
Exploration value formulae
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I'll be returning with my Alt-CMDR this weekend and will be cashing in about 30-40 WD. Will provide the data here when done, if nobody else has done so before that.
I need to take a short trip to get some data for engineer unlocking purposes. A tour of white dwarves around the bubble should do the trick,,,
20 in an hour, these things are more common than I thought...
Seems like you've got some good offers already, but I'd be happy to do a little touring just outside the bubble; found a reasonably rich patch a couple of hundred ly out.
I was on my way home from a short trip and was able to scan a few white dwarfs:
BodyName: Traikaae EM-C d5 A
StellarMass: 0.542969
Value: 34014
BodyName: Traikaae EM-C d0 A
StellarMass: 0.574219
Value: 34030
BodyName: Smojue MA-C d14-4 A
StellarMass: 0.503906
Value: 33994
BodyName: Smojue MA-C d14-5 A
StellarMass: 0.531250
Value: 34008
BodyName: Smojue MA-C d14-2
StellarMass: 0.414063
Value: 33948
BodyName: Traikaae EM-C d5 A
StellarMass: 0.542969
Value: 34014
BodyName: Traikaae EM-C d0 A
StellarMass: 0.574219
Value: 34030
BodyName: Smojue MA-C d14-4 A
StellarMass: 0.503906
Value: 33994
BodyName: Smojue MA-C d14-5 A
StellarMass: 0.531250
Value: 34008
BodyName: Smojue MA-C d14-2
StellarMass: 0.414063
Value: 33948
My 30 WD scans are giving a reasonably consistent value for k of 33737 +/- 0.63
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw4hmxm8jryrrne/White Dwarf Survey.ods?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw4hmxm8jryrrne/White Dwarf Survey.ods?dl=0
You think you got the waterworld terraform bonus nailed down?
Well, I'm confident the values in the first post are accurate enough to work out the maximum terraforming bonus... but I don't yet understand why many planets do not get the full bonus. I have a few ideas about it, but my feeling is there's not enough information in the journal to accurately work out the actual terraforming bonus.
Just spotted this thread - these formulae will be very useful when I add estimated scan values back into Captain's Log 2.x Soon[tm]
Thanks for doing all this complicated maffs work. Maffs was never one of my strong points
Thanks for doing all this complicated maffs work. Maffs was never one of my strong points
Dunno if this has been said, but this needs to be taken into account in the next update of EDDiscovery. Kudos to the OP
I just sold and logged prices on 40-50 waterworlds, and I too am baffled now on the terra bonus. There are some strong preferences (tidally locked and ammonia atmospheres) for no terra bonus, but then there are some exceptions where a couple do get it.
I also into a system where 2 of 3 HMC terra candidates did not get the bonus, but that seems to be an outlier.
Does your ELW price assume a terra bonus? Only found 3, but they were all in the 700k range.
Thanks so much for doing this! Helped me immensly in my latest deep space trip.
It'll come. Finwen or I will most likely do it Real Soon Now(TM)
So, best I can tell, the terraforming bonus is on some sort of scale. There are many planets that do get the full bonus, right down to a handful that get no bonus at all (why even make them CFTs?). And I see many common percentages - e.g. I've a small handful of WWs that got 97.32% of the expected bonus. And you're right about ammonia - far more likely to lose some of the bonus if there's ammonia present (or argon, or water) than, say, a CO2 rich atmosphere, but there are examples to disprove the assertion. Oh, and mass seems to be a thing - over something like 2.1 earth masses seems to get penalised (but I have examples over 3 EMs that don't). I'm wondering if there's a bunch of criteria and if it hits a certain number of those it gets the full bonus - so for example maybe there's 15 criteria, and if it hits 10 it gets the full bonus but for each one below 10 it moves down a scale ? Still guesswork for now.
Yes, ELWs work exactly as terraformable WWs - they almost always get the full bonus, but pre 2.1 I found 1 example that didn't quite get the full bonus - and it had argon in the atmosphere.
If you have the sale prices and the journal entries to go with them, I'd be interested to see your data.
Hope this one works:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/56in7h3nriykmuz/Explo$1_WWv6.8.xls?dl=0
The odd HMC worlds that didn't get the full terra bonus are included on separate page, along with sample data from those that did.
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I've put together a simple web-based calculator based on MattG's formulae. Select the star/planet type, enter its mass and whether it's terraformable, and a value is calculated: http://www.rzxarchive.co.uk/edcalcs.html
Still a bit rough around the edges, but I think the basic calculations are working ok.
Still a bit rough around the edges, but I think the basic calculations are working ok.
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Believe you need to revisit your terra bonus calcs.
The terra bonus increases the k factor which you then run thru matts formula (instead of being a straight add-on number to just the base k-factor run thru the formula). For ex, a 1 earth mass HMC should be 414,648 instead of 277,899.
Great Page! A heck of a lot easier than hand jamming a spreadshert.
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