Actually, I may not have been as clear as I should be, but we agree with each other.
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Explorers : would you consider giving up on the infinite honk for...?
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Actually, I may not have been as clear as I should be, but we agree with each other.
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Hello Commander RLSG!
We won't just be looking at stellar body discovery.
To be clear, the reasons I would like to replace the honk and eyeball scanning would not be to drag out exploration time, but to give the game play:
* A modicum of player-skill, along with a suitable minor skill-based reward
* A feeling of verisimilitude, that you're operating advanced sensor equipment like a boss
* Satisfying processes, improved visual/audio/interactions
* A reduction required super cruise travel, so you only need to travel to a planet if you're definitely interested in investigating it
Also worth noting, this is a separate point to the concept of having things to discover during exploration (which we see as equally important).
We won't just be looking at stellar body discovery.
To be clear, the reasons I would like to replace the honk and eyeball scanning would not be to drag out exploration time, but to give the game play:
* A modicum of player-skill, along with a suitable minor skill-based reward
* A feeling of verisimilitude, that you're operating advanced sensor equipment like a boss
* Satisfying processes, improved visual/audio/interactions
* A reduction required super cruise travel, so you only need to travel to a planet if you're definitely interested in investigating it
Also worth noting, this is a separate point to the concept of having things to discover during exploration (which we see as equally important).
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Hi Sandro
Thanks for the update.
I'd just like ask about item 4 in your list:
* A reduction required super cruise travel, so you only need to travel to a planet if you're definitely interested in investigating it
With the ADS infinite-honk we already have this.
Does that mean you're considering retaining some kind of 'discover everything without SC' mechanic, even if it isn't the existing one?
But I practiced honking for years, and I do operate that like a boss now! All me honking skills going to waste [sad]
But I'm liking the sound of that very much indeed!
Hello Commander DrewCarnegie!
I'm talking about the necessity to fly close to a stellar body to gain basic exploration information, and make it so that you will only need to fly to bodies when you have a reason to get up close.
Of course, this is just the current thinking; we'll see what falls out when we get more stuck in.
I'm talking about the necessity to fly close to a stellar body to gain basic exploration information, and make it so that you will only need to fly to bodies when you have a reason to get up close.
Of course, this is just the current thinking; we'll see what falls out when we get more stuck in.
Hey Sandro,
This is all quite heartening, having more mechanics and gameplay involved in exploration is much needed. Content is good, but how you get to that content should be just as engaging.
Should we read anything into the absence of "no ETA or guarantee" in your post?
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Exploration is serious business, we can't have people just keep playing honkbal when they should be analysing scientific data.
The fact that it is actually being looked into is a good start. I am curious to see what concepts you guys do come up with - but please remember, when it's fun, it's not grind
Perfect example - docking. I find it fun to this day - that 45 odd seconds between dropping out of Supercruise and the clamps grabbing hold of the ship... Love it. Every time.
To be fair, others may not, but they can buy a docking computer...
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I'd love that very much.
Hi Sandro,
Would these guarantee-less, ETA-less, purely hypothetical changes (which I'd really, really like to happen) include changes to how PoIs on planetary surfaces work? Because right now they're, not to put too fine a point on it, a right mess that somehow manages to be both unimmersive and tedious, which is a shame because I really quite like Horizons' planets, just not any of the stuff on them.
Oh, and please do keep the actual honk. It's a really nice sound and I'd really hate to see it go the way of the old beta/gamma/1.x era hyperspace entry sound effect.
There have been some amazing threads posted on these forums over the past months (and months) with people's ideas for enhancing exploration gameplay. Things like firing probes at planets that might collect air/soil samples.
FD could just grab any one of those threads and implement a fraction of the ideas and exploration would be improved immeasurably.
All this so far just sounds like you're just going to make slight tweaks to the way we scan planets.
FD could just grab any one of those threads and implement a fraction of the ideas and exploration would be improved immeasurably.
All this so far just sounds like you're just going to make slight tweaks to the way we scan planets.
Was this the Word of the Day on your calendar?
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This sounds great and much welcomed.
Contentious idea here but could we also have the option to turn off the honk sound or an option to have it replaced with different quieter more subtle sound?
The audio team have done a great job on the instrument sounds but then we have this 'Foghorn' bwarmm blasting out our eardrums and totally out of character. I appreciate many players like it and it has become part of the ship sounds for many and they won't want to lose it, but it just seems so out of place when all the other sounds are more discreet. So all I'm asking is an option to disable/change it.
In works of fiction, verisimilitude is synomnymous with believability and internal consistency.
Hopefully we see some of those ideas in season 3, Mr. Sandro. Anything more than honking is welcome. Provided increased financial reward for the increased time, of course.
"Word"? was it the word of the day on your calendar?
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Sandro, this may be the best Exploration focused dev post I've read to date. When I heard you were reviewing the scan mechanic, I was thrilled, but reading this list fills me with renewed hope that Exploration could be a complete and vital game unto itself. I can see you have the design concepts well in hand, and tbh I'm even more glad now for having dropped an expansions worth of money in the store this week. As much as I love the kits and paint jobs, the main reason I buy them is to say: Thank you! to everyone at Fdev. Very excited to see what comes next.
I'd say it should be kept in. When you arrive in a system it's nice to honk your infinite scanner to get a general overview of the system. From there you could decide whether there is anything there worth exploring in more detail. Imagine the time you could (potentially) waste approaching each planet in a system and scanning it just to find out it wasn't worth your time.
THIS.
The mechanics could need some improvement, but I need some incentive to go exploring in the first place.
Was utterly bored on my trip to unlock Palin. Traveled around 15000ly (with a ship of 40ly jump range ca 400 jumps), encountered 1 Neutron Star, 0 Black holes, 0 ELW, and maybe a dozen water worlds and ammonia worlds outside the bubble.