Apparently they said in the Lave Radio interview that they didn't considered Exploration as an typical Carrier usage pattern.
FD answers: no Cartographics for you
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Apparently they said in the Lave Radio interview that they didn't considered Exploration as an typical Carrier usage pattern.
A D20 is indeed smarter than an FC...
"Hoovering up", lol. You make it sound so trivial. There's more to it than that.
Quite a lot of time can be spent FSS'ing and mapping worlds in one system, even if you're selective about the most lucrative types. Engineered surface scanners help, but if you run into a multiple star system with multiple metal worlds and terraforming candidates, and two or three Type II GGs then you're going to get well acquainted with the place.
Exploring is easy, but is often very time-consuming, even without babysitting a demanding, high-maintenance megaship.
Wonder why they just didn't call them Trading Post Megaships. Sure, it can carry a few ships around but that seems more of an auxiliary purpose, like a parking lot. Not a function to name the whole operation by.
I believe them, but the fact that they DIDN'T consider exploration is what's so incredibly sad about this whole issue. Particularly seeing how the original proposal two years ago had an exploration variant of fleet carriers as a thing.
FDev's lack of vision is terrifyingly troubling.
Interesting, considering that their marketing seemed to indicate that it would be viable. So there's not just a disconnect between the devs and the players, but also between the devs and their marketing department.
I don't see why that would "wreck" any dynamics.Being able to go to far flung places, scanning and hoovering up systems then selling, getting creds and tags while moving along further to far flung paces will wreck the dynamics of exploration IMHO
Is it just me that agree with the Devs that a UC on a portable carrier is not a good thing for the game????
Currently, you go to far-flung places, scanning and "hoovering up" systems. Choose the fast way (Neutron Highway) or the slow way. Fly to one of the many deep space outposts (while continuing to scan and "hoover up" systems), sell the data, then head off again, hoovering all the way.
Note that anywhere near Sag A* is not a far-flung place. That's a well-serviced local hub. Ditto for Colonia, and the entire string of motorway service stops on the way.
The new dynamic, with a megaship involved, would be:
You take your megaship to far-flung places, refuelling it through mining or whatever. You can't use the Neutron Highway, and the old "slow way" is super-fast compared to current megaship spin-up/cooldown timings. Leave your megaship parked, scan and "hoover up" systems in the general vicinity. Return to your mobile base. Welcome other travellers out in the deep, who might drop in. Move where you want, managing your megaship's needs, exploring around it - or just leave it thousands of LY away - head off, get back to it whenever.
That sounds to me like some welcome variation to "traditional" dynamics of exploration.
Of course, we'd need megaships to not suck in terns of credit cost punishment, the addition of UC to its fitout, and the ability to actually carry a fleet out of the box, like its name supposedly indicates... lol
Interesting, considering that their marketing seemed to indicate that it would be viable. So there's not just a disconnect between the devs and the players, but also between the devs and their marketing department.
It will not be the first time when the marketing is selling something that is not even properly planned, not to mention developed
I think they had a vision
Somehow it didn't worked
What did you expected them to do?
Just Say: we're not able to make carriers useful for exploration within the game context, so we are canceling the entire carrier project. Sorry folks.
Captain Kremmen has the same vision of megaships for exploration as I do. It would be cool to follow another players ship and for multiple people to work an exploration area off of it. then all get aboard for the next jump.
But as you said, it won't work if we can't keep the megaship running with credits.
But as you said, it won't work if we can't keep the megaship running with credits.
I applied for a game design position at FD a while back, they weren't interested. It's nice to see they have such high standards.
FDev is completely able to make carriers useful for exploration, they are CHOOSING not to by keeping UC off of them, hence the uproar.
pretty much like they are choosing not to allow ships to jump 1000ly or significantly decrease supercruise travel?
Well, I'll be damned, they listened.
+Tritium is twice as effectiveWell, not anymore
They are choosing to listen to the player base: 21 millions max upkeep, 20 minutes between jumps and UC
This are actually good news!
+Tritium is twice as effective
This are actually good news!
Indeed. that seemed to have slipped away unnoticed
But yea, up to 6 jumps with a medium loaded carrier now? 3500ly between refuels?
- Universal Cartographics will become available as an optional service.
I have to say fair play to them for taking an interest in what the players want and Interested to see how this pans out in the Beta?
Just noticed this post and it did make me chuckle-
Thanks for asking and I have been known to dip my toe in the galactic pool occasionally