FD, can we all get sirius permits?

[Martian Successor]

all sirius systems are in retreat, they're blockading all sirius systems, they're UA bombing all sirius systems, killing all sirius ships.

sothis looks like a hole right now

Not according to the database on INARA:

https://inara.cz/galaxy-minorfactions/

If those numbers are correct then Sirius Corp is only getting hammered in a few systems. It is sufficiently high in influence in both Sirius and HIP 8396 to expand into a neighbouring system within 20Ly. The best way to fight a lockdown is to bounty hunt and turn in Sirius Corp bounties where Sirius Corp is the ruling faction. As for countering UA bombing, the only option is to sell Meta Alloys to the aflicted stations. Those stations will then gain an immunity to UA bombing unless I am mistaken.

In the worst case scenario and Sirius is expelled from everywhere those with Sirius permits can always work to cause an expansion from Sirius so that the faction spreads to more systems.

 

[-=VampyrE=-]

A playergroup is attacking any Sirius-Faction. That is the Problem.

---> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/362523-Assault-on-Sirius-Corporation

This is the reason, why Sirius-Factions are in Chaos!

EDIT: you will have to deal with it ingame. FD will not interfere i think.
It is all player-driven....

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Got my Sirius permit by bounty hunting in Avik.
About an hour, bit over 2 mil in bounties, and I was "in".

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Is that a faction, or player group? Details man! Give us the info we need to fight back.

(I say that with no intention of actually doing anything. I don't understand the BGS, I'll probably make it worse!)

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

Apparently multiple groups of players try to blockade and reduce the influence of Sirius for different reasons. At least that's what I read about it on this forum.
From what I read some do it because of that "Salomé requiem" and what Salomé wrote as their last words (basically she wants others to kill each other because she regretted that she caused the death of others and those others who should die caused the death of … - completely illogical ramblings of a lunatic who thought she would be come a martyr an loved death)
Others do it because they already have access to Palin and think it is a good idea to protest against all the work they had to do to get that access by making the access to Palin even more painful for others.

The real problem is, that the players have way to much influence on the BGS. It's completely unrealistic that a few CMDRs can influence the biggest corporation in the galaxy at all.
But that's the way this game is.

If you want to help Sirius, then deliver bounties handed out by Sirius to a Sirius controlled station. Do missions with high influence rating for Sirius.

 

[=TK=]

in about 2 weeks the only system siriuscorp will be in is sirius, thus permanently locking the system to new players.




so you're saying "i got my permit, doesn't matter if everyone else gets stuck without one"

No i'm saying that at all, I'm explaining how you can get allied, like go to Procyon and sell exploration data to Sirius Corp - i don't get why you needed to be such a prickly pear?

They can't permanently lock a system, sell exploration data and hand in bounties and fight back, if they can work together to be idiots we can work together to stop them

 

[MottiKhan]

Sirius systems are not in chaos. They're simply being opposed. We have a choice to fight for them, with them or just do what we want for our own reasons.

The people opposing Sirius Corp have a valid roleplay and are doing well. My roleplay is to oppose the opposers and help Sirius Corp. It all adds to a purpose in the game. It's a cut-throat galaxy out there. Will you take up arms one way or the other? Will you do what needs to be done to insure freedom for other CMDRs or impose your will on them?

I find it interesting and engaging.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

they're maybe a week from permanently blocking the system off

They're really not.

To do that they'd need to force Sirius Corp out of all nine of the non-Sirius systems it's present in.

That would require:
- 6 wars (5 days each) to remove each controlled station
- 9 retreats (5 days each) to remove each factional presence

So they're probably [1] at least 75 days away from permanently blocking the system, if no-one accidentally or deliberately opposes them... additionally Sirius influence in their home system is over 75% currently, so there should be a pending expansion, which will mean a 10th retreat needs arranging. (5 days for the expansion, 5 days to retreat it again, so 85 days)

But... Sirius Corp is even safer than that! Four of the systems outside Sirius itself have fewer than four factions in, so the attackers would need to expand other factions into those systems before a retreat could start. That could take a while, as some of them are over 30 LY from the nearest inhabited systems, so some suitable colonisation community goals would be needed first.

Nothing to be particularly concerned about - the worst that will happen is some short-term Lockdowns as the faction is attacked, and some weakening which harms the faction but doesn't stop people getting the permit or invite.

[1] Theoretically with perfect play they could interleave some of the retreats with the wars to shorten the time needed a bit - but it still wouldn't solve the problem of some of the systems not being retreatable from at all.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

They're really not.

To do that they'd need to force Sirius Corp out of all nine of the non-Sirius systems it's present in.

That would require:
- 6 wars (5 days each) to remove each controlled station
- 9 retreats (5 days each) to remove each factional presence

So they're probably [1] at least 75 days away from permanently blocking the system, if no-one accidentally or deliberately opposes them... additionally Sirius influence in their home system is over 75% currently, so there should be a pending expansion, which will mean a 10th retreat needs arranging. (5 days for the expansion, 5 days to retreat it again, so 85 days)

But... Sirius Corp is even safer than that! Four of the systems outside Sirius itself have fewer than four factions in, so the attackers would need to expand other factions into those systems before a retreat could start. That could take a while, as some of them are over 30 LY from the nearest inhabited systems, so some suitable colonisation community goals would be needed first.

Nothing to be particularly concerned about - the worst that will happen is some short-term Lockdowns as the faction is attacked, and some weakening which harms the faction but doesn't stop people getting the permit or invite.

[1] Theoretically with perfect play they could interleave some of the retreats with the wars to shorten the time needed a bit - but it still wouldn't solve the problem of some of the systems not being retreatable from at all.

I am sorry to rain on your parade but if a controlling faction within a System is not native to the System itself, a successful Retreat will see that faction gone and all of their assets lost (falls to the MF with the highest % at the moment of the successful Retreat).

This is a big imbalance and needs to be worked over by FD, specially the method to tank a MFs % is so stupidly easy (for now) that it literally only takes a Wing of people to trash the work of 30+ within a day or two (depending on the population size naturally).

If Sirius is not controlling the Systems they're in, then yes it'll take a while longer, but if whomever is attacking the MF succeeds in removing them all their other assets will be lost just the same.

As to that 4 factions minimum rule I have no knowledge about, but if those 4 aren't all native themselves, then Sirius can be expelled from there as well. Since every MF in this game only calls one System their home, anywhere else they are foreign and the above rule applies.

 

[Gully Foyle]

The plot thickens!
Something is afoot in Sirius it seems.
We must take measures, seriously.

 

[Zambrick]

that one group of people are going to make it impossible to get to the engineer there. your fault for making it possible to do that. move the engineer, remove the permit, or give everyone the permit, otherwise the people who're wrecking sirius corp are going to be the last to be able to engineer power distributor, seems like some OP to me, should be sorted.

Well you're in luck, because thats not the only Engineer that does this. Its part of the game and I dont see them changing that part. If anything in the future they may make it harder or more involved than it is now. So if I were you I would get with the gettin was good. It doesnt take long at all.

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

I guess if Sirius Corp is really driven all the way back to Sirius itself alone, FD will simply remove the permit requirement.

 

[the100thmonkey]

I have an alt that's working on gaining rep for the permit now. Once the lockdown is over, it'll be trivially easy to complete.

It's trivially easy to get allied even with a lockdown in effect - go bounty-hunting in the small Sirius system on the way to Maia -- HIP-something-or-other. You'll also help to make getting allied easier for CMDRs who don't know how to point and click.

I guess if Sirius Corp is really driven all the way back to Sirius itself alone, FD will simply remove the permit requirement.

They can't be removed from systems where they are a native faction. My guess is that this will include systems where they were injected as part of the storyline.

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

sirius permit was the easiest one to get! alioth took a lot longer and was more trouble.

 

[ThriveInDark]

Kinda sucks though that folks who are primarily single player are affected by it also.....

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Cash in Sirius Corp bounties at any station where Sirius Corp is present. You will reduce the lockdown and gain all the reputation you need for the permit. If enough players do this, the lockdown won't last very long at all.

 

[khaos526]

People are over reacting. This will not stop people from accessing any engineers, except at worst a couple of days or so and that's it. If it was possible to lock people out permanently, you know ED would easily fix the issue as they're not going to have a large proportion of their user base blocked out of something that they paid for with Horizons/Engineers.

So could it eventually be something that might happen for a short time? Sure, lockouts in systems happen all the time now with UA bombing and such, do those system recover, yep all the time. So it's just a minor inconvenience if it ever came to that and nothing to freak out about. It's all ok.

But as mentioned by several people, it does give a new RP structure to the game for those that are into that aspect and know you can have a player vs player side vs side battle going on to spice things up...

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

I doubt it even stops the permit missions being offered. Sirius Corp controlled stations will be in lockdown, but there are stations and bases controlled by other factions in Procyon and Luyten's Star. These will still offer missions for Sirius Corp.

 

[Red Anders]

Kinda sucks though that folks who are primarily single player are affected by it also.....

You're affected by every positive change that players in open and private groups make to the BGS, it's entirely reasonable that you're also affected by the negative ones. It's a shared universe not three separate games.

 

[friendship drive charging]

You're affected by every positive change that players in open and private groups make to the BGS, it's entirely reasonable that you're also affected by the negative ones. It's a shared universe not three separate games.

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[MottiKhan]

So, the lockdown is over. Have you gotten your permit yet?

My alt has finished BHing in HIP 8396, headed back to Avik for the permit and is in Sirius now.