FDEV Ignoring TheYamiks as a Core Creator, Your thoughts on the matter.

[varonica]

I feel I should be polite when I turn it down.

As to accepting stuff, do you mean polite as in saying "Thank you"?

I think the post was asking if when you receive free stuff should you post nice things about the game.

This is an issue I do have with people receiving free stuff, how do we know their opinions aren't based on getting free stuff? Not saying any are mind you, but if we the watchers know a youtuber making positive sounds about a game gets free stuff from the game maker does this influence the way we, the watcher, interpret the content being watched? As I said earlier I do watch your videos but not Yamik's, this is purely a personal decision based on style and method of delivery rather than what is actually in the content. If you both post about the same thing I will watch your content rather than Yamik's.

There's a lot of complaints at the moment about "free" stuff on the forums, people getting free "Horizons" when other had to pay for it and it gets quite nasty in some cases, I am against "free" stuff that other people need to pay for simply because of this toxicity that it inevitably creates and would prefer that content creators got stuff that other people didn't have access to at all, like early access, tours of the offices, still and images from upcoming content and etc.

But in the end "free" stuff is entirely up to FDEV to dole out and how they make that decision isn't necessarily our business to know.

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

Well who doesn't like free gifts? Especially nice ones.

I'm sure every content creator will feel differently. But for me I don't feel I owe a company anything if they send me something. If they want to send a gift, that's incredibly nice, but has no bearing on their game or what I think of them as a company.

Then again, it might depend on what it is. A free game, GPU or console is one thing (nice, but not gonna affect my opinion on anything). A free top spec Tesla, or a house might be a different story.

Ship interiors would make for nice living quarters I think

 

[Vetinari]

As a content creator do you feel a moral obligation to be positive (or at least polite) if you accept free stuff? I guess you would?

I hope not, I watch people who are paid to review a game and they give the good, the bad and the ugly so people watching can make their own minds up, but I think thats why they get paid in the first place. Nobody should be 'buying' positive reviews or the reviewer doesn't have credibility anyway, same as the person who offers nothing but abuse, they have no credibility either. One quote from someone I watch was 'I was offered a truckload of money to review this game, and I do like money, so here we go', and that was Fallout 76 so you can imagine how that one went.

On the other hand I thought that the YTer in question is not considered a core content creator because of foul and aggressive behaviour in person and in persona, and 'jokes' about terminal illness, homophobia, assaults on staff etc etc none of which a self-respecting multi-million pound company wants anything to do with.

If hes so bothered why doesnt he start a thread complaining about it himself? Is it coz it wouldnt make him any money? Is that why his responses are on a monetised channel instead? Why do other people feel the need to highlight how unfair it all is on his behalf? Just Patreon him the $40 and forget it if it means so much to you.

 

[Obsidian Ant]

I think the post was asking if when you receive free stuff should you post nice things about the game.

This is an issue I do have with people receiving free stuff, how do we know their opinions aren't based on getting free stuff? Not saying any are mind you, but if we the watchers know a youtuber making positive sounds about a game gets free stuff from the game maker does this influence the way we, the watcher, interpret the content being watched? As I said earlier I do watch your videos but not Yamik's, this is purely a personal decision based on style and method of delivery rather than what is actually in the content. If you both post about the same thing I will watch your content rather than Yamik's.

There's a lot of complaints at the moment about "free" stuff on the forums, people getting free "Horizons" when other had to pay for it and it gets quite nasty in some cases, I am against "free" stuff that other people need to pay for simply because of this toxicity that it inevitably creates and would prefer that content creators got stuff that other people didn't have access to at all, like early access, tours of the offices, still and images from upcoming content and etc.

But in the end "free" stuff is entirely up to FDEV to dole out and how they make that decision isn't necessarily our business to know.

I appreciate your thoughts on this.

For what it's worth, I feel Yamiks is a fantastic content creator. He knows his stuff, has great production values and is very good at what he does. But I can also see why some people feel he takes things too far.

With the "should content creators get free stuff" point. That's something everyone will have to decide for themselves.

As for studio tours, inside peaks and early access. That isn't "free stuff", it's a part of the business. The gaming press also get those things. Don't get me wrong, content creators are not press, and I certainly don't see myself that way. However content creators are also not just regular gamers. Perhaps they are something in between? I really wouldn't know how to classify it. But the things you mention are a part of the business, they aren't "gifts".

Although that is also a matter of scale. For example, a studio tour in LA followed by a one week hotel stay and a trip to the opera certainly moves things into sightly different territory.

 

[CMDR Serra]

Hmmm. The other thread got to 934. We got a way to go yet.

 

[Drelthar]

Frontier can decide who they want to promote as marketers for their game.

 

[GJ51]

Meh

Watch a content creator you like or not. Free choice. It's also FD's right to interact with whomsoever they please - or not.

I enjoy some of Yamiks' stuff and then there's some videos that rub me the wrong way from the get go and I just stop watching when it decays into a profanity laced rant.

Sometimes his "style' detracts from his content.

YMMV

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

I hope not, I watch people who are paid to review a game and they give the good, the bad and the ugly so people watching can make their own minds up, but I think thats why they get paid in the first place. Nobody should be 'buying' positive reviews or the reviewer doesn't have credibility anyway, same as the person who offers nothing but abuse, they have no credibility either. One quote from someone I watch was 'I was offered a truckload of money to review this game, and I do like money, so here we go', and that was Fallout 76 so you can imagine how that one went.

On the other hand I thought that the YTer in question is not considered a core content creator because of foul and aggressive behaviour in person and in persona, and 'jokes' about terminal illness, homophobia, assaults on staff etc etc none of which a self-respecting multi-million pound company wants anything to do with.

If hes so bothered why doesnt he start a thread complaining about it himself? Is it coz it wouldnt make him any money? Is that why his responses are on a monetised channel instead? Why do other people feel the need to highlight how unfair it all is on his behalf? Just Patreon him the $40 and forget it if it means so much to you.

Look, i have to say that at least personally, i haven't heard any jokes about terminal illness or homophobia (i havent watched all his videos), but i think i do remember he recently created imagery relating to frontier staff having unpleasant physical things applied. Yeah while he didn't mention anyone specifically, that could easily be seen as crossing the line for sure.

/facepalm

 

[Slange Lands]

The more influence one has, the more important it is to keep one's mind as objective as possible. The more influence you have means that more people are likely to agree with you. Your review actually might have a huge impact on sales... think CyberPunk 2077...

Being truly objective is much easier the more professional and remote a relationship you have.

For instance a hypothetical situation:

You meet a Community Manager from the developer of "Perfect Space Game." The Community Manager and you get along fabulously. So fabulously that you become friends and you find out personal stuff like that that particular Community Manager has severe financial issues.

So then it's time to review "Perfect Space Game".

It sucks b**lz.

Personally, having to unfavorably review "Perfect Space Game" because it in fact sucks and knowing full well that said friend Community Manager could be fired because of bad sales due to a bad review, would leave me in tears.

It's advantageous for the personal sanity of any youtuber to distance themselves from personal influence.

[EDIT: I shouldn't be naive about personal integrity. No doubt there are Ytubers who really don't care or are in such dire financial straits that they will say or do anything for views. If my family were starving, I might do the same.]

 

[Icky]

boy, its funny how many people who dont care about what this thread is about felt the need to make sure everyone knows that they in fact dont care....

 

[GJ51]

boy, its funny how many people who dont care about what this thread is about felt the need to make sure everyone knows that they in fact dont care....

Expressing an opinion on a topic that on its face appears relevant, but is actually rather vacuous and inconsequential is nothing more than free speech.

Yes - a bit of an anachronism these days...

 

[Icky]

Expressing an opinion on a topic that on its face appears relevant, but is actually rather vacuous and inconsequential is nothing more than free speech.

Yes - a bit of an anachronism these days...

i dont mean people expressing opinions, i mean the people coming in to simply say "i dont care".

 

[GJ51]

Semantics

 

[Captain Willard]

He makes yt videos. I try to never watch yt vids, never watched any of his. He doesn't work for FD.
How could he ever be a core creator?

 

[znôrt]

Frontier can decide who they want to promote as marketers for their game.

that much is clear. nobody has accused them of any human rights violation. else the police would have been mobilized
i think the conversation is about whether doing so was a smart thing to do.

 

[Commander Biscuit]

i think the conversation is about whether doing so was a smart thing to do.

As plenty have stated, OA, D2EA and other prominent Youtubers didn't receive alpha passes either, yet only one of them is losing their mind because of it.

If the smart thing to do is constantly placate a narcissist because they may do you harm, then I'm glad FD are not smart.

 

[RicoMJ]

I ignore Yamiks too...

 

[Captain Willard]

Thread closed?

 

[Agony_Aunt]

This...these are more controversial questions...something doesn't add up or someone made a mistake

Amazingly enough, people do make mistakes in the real world. (assuming there was a mistake here)

What normally happens in business is if someone makes a mistake, someone corrects them, and life goes on.

What happens the moment a mistake becomes public and forums or social media become involved is that drama queens get their panties in a twist.

 

[znôrt]

As plenty have stated, OA, D2EA and other prominent Youtubers didn't receive alpha passes either, yet only one of them is losing their mind because of it.

oa stated here he did have one offered, but refused. moot regardless since frontier themselves admitted they had a set of them for 'core tubers'. whoever those might be (john travolta meme coming to mind ) which would be indeed a funny question to ask but is only relevant to the extent that it does not include yamiks ... which is a significant elite tuber.

so that argument doesn't really float ...

constantly placate a narcissist

then that's quite a declaration of intent right there, which imo is exactly as smart as ...

then I'm glad FD are not smart.

yep

i tend to agree with your views but in this case your predisposition against or distaste of yamiks seem to be clouding your judgement a bit. at face value he is not a iota more narcissist than any other average youtuber, what kind of point is that supposed to be anyway, and 'giving a key' and 'not lying in correspondence' is not 'placating' in any way, it's avoiding bad publicity and protecting reputation.

imo this whole issue is mere gossip, but on the technical level frontier screwed up royally and their pr handling has been unprofessional and shortsighted. plus if they didn't want to get associated with yamiks, in very high probability they will have quite a bit more of it. and yamiks has all the reasons to be happy right now.