FDev - mining with SLF still works and there should be punishment for those who abuse it.

Stellar Shepherd

Stellar Shepherd
schmu666 said:
First of all: why tho?
It's not like rich people affect your gameplay experience..
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If fdev decides on future pricing by looking at stats, it does

schmu666 said:
Second: Do you have any idea what happens if u punish 1/3 of ur customer base for an exploit,
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Send a clear message that it's not ok? I don't particularly agree with a ban, but if fdev stated they consider it an exploit and people still do it, its at their own risk.

schmu666 said:
And how do u get your grade 5 manufactured materials again? or ur data?
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Difference being Fdev confirmed it's ok, opposed to saying it's a bug and attempted to fix it.
I agree that material gathering should be different and don't make sense, but at the end of the day fdev is the one who states if it's ok or not.
 

Dragsham

Dragsham
It's not a question of want it's about fair play and fdev being consistent in their approach to this issue.
If your worried you'll lose a few credits no big deal.
It's childish to flame reason. And that's in short order on some of these threads.
All we ask is for a policy an punishment for those who knowingly break it.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Krash said:
Use the SLF to fly away from the rock. Far enough and the SSD are reset and ready to mine again. A relog does the same thing, I think. Seems like more drawbacks to using the SLF but its sexier to say "SLF exploit"
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Awww... that's not SLF mining. I haz dissapoint.
 

schmu666

schmu666
Stealthie said:
It's so easy to spot the people spamming an exploit when a thread like this comes up.

Reminds me of the people who were rabidly defending the exploits related to passenger missions.
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Nah.. I don't like the exploit. Disappointed they couldnt fix it.
I just can't stand people asking for "punishment" in a computer game.
And I provided the argument, that *redacted*ing off a large portion of the community given how fdev handled (or not handled) the situation is not a good idea.
 

Nikephorus Phocas

Nikephorus Phocas
I agree that the exploit needs fixing, disappointed FDev claimedd they fixed it yet clearly not. Not in favor of punishing people that took advantage of something in game that was created, albeit presumably on accident, by the game makers.

Edit: I do not use the exploit or ever used it. I am totally against it.
 

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Rock Hunter

Rock Hunter
Ok, just two things from me.

1. What does SSD stand for in all of this? I’ve been out with my Carrier and not on the forums recently.

2. Exploits may be cheesy but if you expect FDev to punish everyone who uses them they won’t get much else done. It’s been exploit after exploit for the two and a bit years I’ve played and the Cmdrs who’ve used them must be legion.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
Seffron said:
As does title say there is this "exploit" what people use for mining. This video explains all:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmjJGZx06GA


And with that note there should be some serious implications of people abusing this method.
You took away all the money made with Rockforth Fertiliser and it was clearly exploit you should do the same for those people who abused the SLF method.

Please think of it, if you let this slip then you should rollback all the money you took away from people using Rockforth Fertiliser method too.
What you should never do, people who exploit should get their money removed - right thing to do.
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Hello Karen.

I prefer hauling tritium vs mining, so no real skin in the game re: LTD mining much less LTD SLF respawn method. That said, I’ve never cared for the nanny police who care so much about what others do it seems to physically bother them.

You know what an ”exploit” is? When a game dev says so, and informs the community what the punishment will be. Everything else Fdev tweaks, and they certainly do lot of that, are just balance changes. Every balance change Fdev makes is not an “exploit”.

They clearly decided to tweak this method, but unlike the few issues Fdev called legit exploits, e.g. combat logging, they did not in this case. Until they do so, drum the nanny siren all you want but it is not an “exploit“ except in your wishlist of desired control behaviors.

Until Fdev successfully patches this out, or comes out and officially labels an exploit, it is like any other game function a player can decide to do or not. Personally, I think regular mining - laser, ssd - cruising along pays plenty enough that slf respawn is not needed but I’m not nanny enough to want control over those that make their own choice about it.
 

Maolagin

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jacozilla said:
Until Fdev successfully patches this out, or comes out and officially labels an exploit, it is like any other game function a player can decide to do or not. Personally, I think regular mining - laser, ssd - cruising along pays plenty enough that slf respawn is not needed but I’m not nanny enough to want control over those that make their own choice about it.
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Part of why this is so frustrating is that FDev have called it an exploit, but so far only in private correspondence with support. It would go a long way if they would make some clear statement in public so that people have certainty one way or the other.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
Maolagin said:
Part of why this is so frustrating is that FDev have called it an exploit, but so far only in private correspondence with support. It would go a long way if they would make some clear statement in public so that people have certainty one way or the other.
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well I didn‘t know that, but I’ll take your word for it. Which means if I now do it, would be an exploit because I believe you re: private correspondence from Fdev confirming it.

however, to be fair, until Fdev publicly states it is, any other commander who has not been privately informed or doubts word of mouth sources is in my opinion completely free to play their game as they see fit.

The bottom line obligation is on Fdev to make the official call, not for players have to read tea leaves to guess what is and isn’t just a balance change. Especially given precedent when Fdev clearly does care enough to come out and define something officially as an exploit (e.g. combat logging).
 

Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
Stealthie said:
It's so easy to spot the people spamming an exploit when a thread like this comes up.

Reminds me of the people who were rabidly defending the exploits related to passenger missions.
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Indeed, the same white knight in this thread.
He seems to be very invested in frontier not rolling back the gains from this Exploit.
If Frontier do nothing then i will take it as a sign of Frontiers ever increasing inability to deliver a professional service and product here.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...e-and-patch-notes.549577/page-17#post-8566860
 

Northpin

Northpin
Seffron said:
And with that note there should be some serious implications of people abusing this method.
You took away all the money made with Rockforth Fertiliser and it was clearly exploit you should do the same for those people who abused the SLF method.
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Rockforth Fertilizer was an obvious bug - no market commodity was behaving like that.

On the other side, playing devils advocate here, slf reset of the ssd is not mentioned as a bug nor as an exploit in the patch notes and people were not warned not to do it else their precious will be taken away...
The correction is listed as a simple change of game mechanic

Mining
  • Surface and sub-surface deposits on asteroids will no longer immediately respawn when re-entering the instance or switching to a ship launched fighter.
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