FDEv, Open now is Bambi vs. Godzilla, please consider having an Open server that is PvE only

I wish those directly against PvE would realise, that those getting griefed are potential players, once you've gotten to a certain point, fine you should know what is going on now.
But totally new players? the first hours of the game usually make or break it for them.

And all you are doing by for example saying 'git gud' or similar, is breaking it for new players, players that could potentially become PvP'ers, come to stand by your side, you simply do not know, because a person so early in the game rarely knows themselves.

So stop stop meaninglessly bashing those suggesting some protections for newbies

There is never......ever a solid reason to kill newbies, full stop, those doing it? if it was me, at the very least shadowban to prevent them from gaming with others, at 'best' full ban, there is literally no reason to ever go after those just starting out a game, none, nada, if you are an experienced player in the game. Newbies are more then capable to fight against each other which is fine, because they are significantly more on each others level.

There simply is no excuse for protecting those that kill newbies. And frankly those that do, should be banned if you ask me, there's no buzz word, or claim that it makes you something, that covers experienced players killing newbies.
 
Morse-code is also a foreign language to learn .. I do not intend to learn a foreign language to play a game properly.

ok this is not the subject of this thread .. but sentences in Russian that we can choose and send translated to a German so that he can understand us in his language.. will only facilitate more exchanges.

How about sending: "Sprechen sie Deutsch?" and if they don't answer, try someone else?
 
If Newbies are so desperate to socialize, but can't figure out to survive, learn the game in solo. This whole "Change the game" to suit a bunch of spineless carebears is tiring. Everyone needs their hand held these days. Coddled. Life is going to be really hard for these people man. There are plenty of kiddie games for those unable to handle "real life" scenarios. Maybe they should try one of those games.
 
Slange Lands, totally understandable suggestion that I empathise with - I think though that what you are describing already exists in the form of Solo Play. This is technically PvE and Open, so to try and understand you better, what you really want is for there to be a clearer tutorial or description of what new players are going to face and experience when playing the game?

When I first started (which I think was sometime in November last year, so not long ago) I was utterly bewildered by an unexpected interdiction, so I get what you're saying there - and I was attacked by an Elite player as well shortly after this, but this didn't stop me from playing, on the contrary it gave me drive perhaps to learn more about what had happened and why. I also joined a superpower group that I have learned, and am continuing to learn, a lot from.

To having another Open galaxy: I think we have this already

To having a clearer introduction to the game: Sure, that would be fantastic for new players!

Saltie Mae,

I think what he is talking about is an open mode where you can see and somewhat interact with other players but you can't kill or be killed by other players. Something like the passive mode in GTA Online. That would let you see what players are doing and talk to them so you could learn things but you wouldn't have to worry about being messed about by gankers.
 
Saltie Mae,

I think what he is talking about is an open mode where you can see and somewhat interact with other players but you can't kill or be killed by other players. Something like the passive mode in GTA Online. That would let you see what players are doing and talk to them so you could learn things but you wouldn't have to worry about being messed about by gankers.

Log SOLO / PG... Dock at high traffic (eg. CG) station
Log OPEN... Chat in local from pad / stay near station
Log SOLO / PG... Return to normal riskier programming
 
Good news OP, as soon as you put this request up, it was fulfilled!

Just open your game and click "Private Group".

Thankyou for your time.

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Fact #1.
There is a fundemental difference between a "Private Group" and an Open PVE.
* Open PvE: An Open PVE would be just that, a single, repeat, single location that you just enter freely as you do in Open.
* Private is group is just that, PRIVATE. you have to join then. An extra step segregating the community, not uniting it. An Open PVE mode would make groups like Mobius not as needed, but these various groups (even Mobius is not a single group, but multiple) could finally join each other. As it is now, it is segregation.

Fact #2.
PvP players would not leave Open PVP, They wouldn't want to play in a PVE Environment. OH, that's right, they want their targets to be "care bare easy", how dare that other commander actually have the guns to shoot back, They are the care bares wanting easy targets. PVP Only would make their game harder since non PVP-consenting pilots would not show up anyway. Those commanders that just want easy kills, those are the care bares, because a full on PVP mode means they'd have a real challenge on their hands and the game would be harder since many PvP Players always claim to want a harder game. This would make it so since everyone would be carrying guns to the shoot-out! 2 facts for the price of 1.

If a PvE Open mode was made available, and you currently have no problem with Open as it is now, would you leave it? (maybe I should find a place on the web and create a poll, would be interesting results.)

Fact #3.
The wild wild west would be even wilder now that only PvP consenting players would show up there. Oh, that's right, they want easy targets, see care bare comment in Fact #2. Some posters say they like risk and danger flying in open, Now, the danger is even more real.

Fact #4.
There would still be explores and traders in a PVP Open. Just because some one is willing to do PVP doesn't mean everyone's going to be EXCLUSIVELY doing PVP, but that little Imperial Eagle or Diamondback Explorer is about to blow your Aanaconda A:x:x out of the sky! OH, wait, See Fact #2 on Carebare comment again. Guess you better "Get Gud."

Fact #5.
Both communities would have a chance to thrive in their own play style. because:
a. Many say Elite is a game where you can play as you want, as long as you play their way and PvP or go to Solo/Private.
b. Making an Open PvE fixes the game to be what even they say is "true", Play as you want. If you desire the wild west, go to PvP, if you want a stroll in the park go to PvE.
-- If that's the way they want to play, and you say Elite is a game you can do that, then why is it rigged so that a particular play style is undermined by the game deisgn? If you argue against this fact, then see my post about adding changing the menu to read: "Open Play (PVP)" because you would be arguing for that then.

So, given the above 5 facts, I can conclude that Frontier Development WANTS more powerful players to kill new players as a mater of game design. (ohh, shocker. :eek: ) FDev breaks up the PvE community by design and this is community supported. These mechanics punish PvE players and thus they have a lesser quality game experience by limiting their ability to experience a more fully occupied game world. Fdev wants that, and so does the community, given its acceptance and the number of times people are told to go private/solo. The fact that there is no "PvE Open" emboldens this very idea and encourages a segregated community and encourages bullying because it obvious looking at the main menu, something is missing for the PvE player.

Since PVP players are so worried less people would show up in Open to PvP, maybe the PVE community is the silent majority, and that's why the PVP crowd is so loud on the forums? Think their not, I wonder how much this post will be shouted down? hmm....... oh wait, It's already several pages long.

Bonus Fact:
Some commanders may not be able to have the fast reflexes or fancy control HOTAS's and could have physical or mental issues, limited vision or hearing, limited reflexes or eye hand coordination, yet still be able to fly and dock their ships and do cargo and explore. But those players don't deserve an Open environment right, or to be with other like minded individuals? They have to be limited to a private group or to be by themselves. Even tho it would NEVER be possible for them to "Get Gud" even if they most desired it.

You think these kind of people don't play? Then what was the Enigma expedition all about? Why couldn't that have been for all of the PvE community to join in on without being limited to a private group be able to be played in an Open PvE? And yes, I have a disability too, so I can talk, I have low vision, and combat is more difficult to keep track of. And yet I am locked out of a larger community because of FDev's design and called a Care bare. Feel good about your self, go ahead, Do it! feel good about your self to put some one down who is unable to work on a level playing field, Punch down, why don't you! Your GUD after all, right? Do it here publicly, make fun of a man with low vision, show the world the MAN you are. ... (or woman, if your gender is so inclined, equal opportunity bullies welcome! [heart] )

But then again, you just want easy targets, and FDev supports you, it's their :x game right? There's no need to change it, working as intended, so why ask, Fdev likes it like it is. I just want to be clear what the game design reflects in terms of how it can be viewed. :mad: Thanks FDev for making most people welcome. Let the bullying begin and FDev Stay quiet, Isn't that how it always works. Watch and see.... here we go!!!
 
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Hint: main points highlighted for fast read, beware the landmines of normal text.

Fact #1.
There is a fundemental difference between a "Private Group" and an Open PVE.
* Open PvE: An Open PVE would be just that, a single, repeat, single location that you just enter freely as you do in Open.
* Private is group is just that, PRIVATE. you have to join then. An extra step segregating the community, not uniting it. An Open PVE mode would make groups like Mobius not as needed, but these various groups (even Mobius is not a single group, but multiple) could finally join each other. As it is now, it is segregation.

Fact #2.
PvP players would not leave Open PVP, They wouldn't want to play in a PVE Environment. OH, that's right, they want their targets to be "care bare easy", how dare that other commander actually have the guns to shoot back, They are the care bares wanting easy targets. PVP Only would make their game harder since non PVP-consenting pilots would not show up anyway. Those commanders that just want easy kills, those are the care bares, because a full on PVP mode means they'd have a real challenge on their hands and the game would be harder since many PvP Players always claim to want a harder game. This would make it so since everyone would be carrying guns to the shoot-out! 2 facts for the price of 1.

If a PvE Open mode was made available, and you currently have no problem with Open as it is now, would you leave it? (maybe I should find a place on the web and create a poll, would be interesting results.)

Fact #3.
The wild wild west would be even wilder now that only PvP consenting players would show up there. Oh, that's right, they want easy targets, see care bare comment in Fact #2. Some posters say they like risk and danger flying in open, Now, the danger is even more real.

Fact #4.
There would still be explores and traders in a PVP Open. Just because some one is willing to do PVP doesn't mean everyone's going to be EXCLUSIVELY doing PVP, but that little Imperial Eagle or Diamondback Explorer is about to blow your Aanaconda A:x:x out of the sky! OH, wait, See Fact #2 on Carebare comment again. Guess you better "Get Gud."

Fact #5.
Both communities would have a chance to thrive in their own play style. because:
a. Many say Elite is a game where you can play as you want, as long as you play their way and PvP or go to Solo/Private.
b. Making an Open PvE fixes the game to be what even they say is "true", Play as you want. If you desire the wild west, go to PvP, if you want a stroll in the park go to PvE.
-- If that's the way they want to play, and you say Elite is a game you can do that, then why is it rigged so that a particular play style is undermined by the game deisgn? If you argue against this fact, then see my post about adding changing the menu to read: "Open Play (PVP)" because you would be arguing for that then.

So, given the above 5 facts, I can conclude that Frontier Development WANTS more powerful players to kill new players as a mater of game design. (ohh, shocker. :eek: ) FDev breaks up the PvE community by design and this is community supported. These mechanics punish PvE players and thus they have a lesser quality game experience by limiting their ability to experience a more fully occupied game world. Fdev wants that, and so does the community, given its acceptance and the number of times people are told to go private/solo. The fact that there is no "PvE Open" emboldens this very idea and encourages a segregated community and encourages bullying because it obvious looking at the main menu, something is missing for the PvE player.

Since PVP players are so worried less people would show up in Open to PvP, maybe the PVE community is the silent majority, and that's why the PVP crowd is so loud on the forums? Think their not, I wonder how much this post will be shouted down? hmm....... oh wait, It's already several pages long.

Bonus Fact:
Some commanders may not be able to have the fast reflexes or fancy control HOTAS's and could have physical or mental issues, limited vision or hearing, limited reflexes or eye hand coordination, yet still be able to fly and dock their ships and do cargo and explore. But those players don't deserve an Open environment right, or to be with other like minded individuals? They have to be limited to a private group or to be by themselves. Even tho it would NEVER be possible for them to "Get Gud" even if they most desired it.

You think these kind of people don't play? Then what was the Enigma expedition all about? Why couldn't that have been for all of the PvE community to join in on without being limited to a private group be able to be played in an Open PvE? And yes, I have a disability too, so I can talk, I have low vision, and combat is more difficult to keep track of. And yet I am locked out of a larger community because of FDev's design and called a Care bare. Feel good about your self, go ahead, Do it! feel good about your self to put some one down who is unable to work on a level playing field, Punch down, why don't you! Your GUD after all, right? Do it here publicly, make fun of a man with low vision, show the world the MAN you are. ... (or woman, if your gender is so inclined, equal opportunity bullies welcome! [heart] )

But then again, you just want easy targets, and FDev supports you, it's their :x game right? There's no need to change it, working as intended, so why ask, Fdev likes it like it is. I just want to be clear what the game design reflects in terms of how it can be viewed. :mad: Thanks FDev for making most people welcome. Let the bullying begin and FDev Stay quiet, Isn't that how it always works. Watch and see.... here we go!!!

I...am not even going to pretend I've read all that.

I consider myself to be a little verbose at the best of times, but holy cow: what an incredible wall of text punctuated with some of the most classic anti-PvP fallacies highlighted in bold. Or underline. Or both. I really can't tell when you decide to use which.

Come back to me when you can git gud at concision xxxxx
 
I really dont understand why people want to divide community that is already small enough? We have huge galaxy for everyone but well... looks like for some of them it is not enough and they want another one with different rules :'D Whats wrong with PVP really? Its part of the game. You're miner or explorer or trader, they are pirates and bounty hunters. You make profits from trading, they make profits from YOUR goods/head. You even have modules for it, cargo limpets etc. Yeah, there are some bad guys who just want to kill things, but it's part of the game. Elite is a game with huge armored space crafts with big plasma accelerators and railguns. Its like playing Ace Combat or Apache without... combat :'D

Yeah there are different people with different skills, some of us just suck at combat. And nothing wrong with it. But you cant learn anything new without trying harder.

My father is 60+ already and he played only racing games. Said that his reaction is bad, that he is too old for anything else, fingers dont work too fast, he tried few RPG and shooters, but with no success. But once he just started Fallout and... failed maybe 10 or 20 times, died from every bandit. But then he learned how to aim, how to move, learned something new and now he play all kind of games. Same with elite, you cant be good if you dont learn on your mistakes. In 2 words - GIT GUD!
 
Thanks for proving my point. :D

This being the point in a post summarising that you want ED to be your flavour of playground, every bit as much as them nasty PvPers you constructed a strawman of to burn down?

Honestly not a single highlight in that incredible wall of text that actually had any relevance to me - ya just went off on one so you could bash a player base you don't like and myself in the process.

So in a nutshell, the point I proved is that you're a hypocrite.

You're welcome then, I guess :D

Thankyou for your time.

xxx
 
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Honestly not a single highlight in that incredible wall of text that actually had any relevance to me

You don't seem to have a problem with open I presume, so if there was a PvE Option, would you use it? That's the point.

Answer me this: What's your problem with a PvE mode that has no relevance to you?

I really dont understand why people want to divide community that is already small enough?!

Solo/Private is what is divided. An Open PvE mode is about uniting people who are not playing Open anyway. You can get no more divisive then telling them to go play private/solo. This is not about tearing apart the PvP'ers. It is even admitted here it has no effect on them. It is about uniting the PvE'er who don't have an equal option. by design, it is already divided.

Answer me this:
1. How does creating a mode for players to Open PvE break apart Open PvP?
2. If PvP players wouldn't leave the current Open how is it broken up?
3. If more people who can't find other CMDRs now become able to find each other in an Open PvE mode, is that not bringing the community together who are now segregated in solo/private?
 
You don't seem to have a problem with open I presume, so if there was a PvE Option, would you use it? That's the point.

Answer me this: What's your problem with a PvE mode that has no relevance to you?



Solo/Private is what is divided. An Open PvE mode is about uniting people who are not playing Open anyway. You can get no more divisive then telling them to go play private/solo. This is not about tearing apart the PvP'ers. It is even admitted here it has no effect on them. It is about uniting the PvE'er who don't have an equal option. by design, it is already divided.

Answer me this:
1. How does creating a mode for players to Open PvE break apart Open PvP?
2. If PvP players wouldn't leave the current Open how is it broken up?
3. If more people who can't find other CMDRs now become able to find each other in an Open PvE mode, is that not bringing the community together who are now segregated in solo/private?
Dividing people on offline / online that is what was wrong. Either do fully offline game with coop, or fully online. Situation that we have right now - some kind of bad pornography. Half people want online experience, but they cant achieve it because half of people play offline or in private. Other half of people want play without PVP but again game is not designed for it like other space sims.
 
My father is 60+ already and he played only racing games. Said that his reaction is bad, that he is too old for anything else, fingers dont work too fast, he tried few RPG and shooters, but with no success. But once he just started Fallout and... failed maybe 10 or 20 times, died from every bandit. But then he learned how to aim, how to move, learned something new and now he play all kind of games. Same with elite, you cant be good if you dont learn on your mistakes. In 2 words - GIT GUD!

I wanted address this separately. Do you think that somehow a disability can always be on equal footing? Besides, your arguing for a single player game, (fallout 4), He has control over his encounters. Does he play Elite in Open? No disrespect intended, (I won't do that.) but comparing a single player game to Open is apples and oranges. Let's put it another way,

Example: He plays elite, and say, docking and supercruise are a challenge, and perhaps able to take down a few mostly harmless NPCs. Would not agree that another player's pimped out corvette is leagues above that? What would you say his success rate would be, his ability to improve over that? How much work would it take to overcome this? Could you ever see your father kicking your butt in combat in Elite?

Again, no disrespect intended, I am attempting to make a relevant point.

But, let's briefly continue, let's say he can't overcome it and gets frustrated. All you can say is "Sorry Dad, you have to sign up for Mobius or play Solo." From his point of view, he now has to leave the broader community of players and go be by him self because he was unable to improve. And this is acceptable? What if he didn't think so, but stopped playing because he had a bad run of luck and was frustrated. Another lost player and the community would get another CMDR smaller.

Again, no disrespect intended, just making a hypothetical point.
 
Other half of people want play without PVP but again game is not designed for it like other space sims.

Precisely! The game is not designed for it. As much as my rant was targeting the bullies in the forums, the bullies in the forums feel justified because the game supports that design. It was really targeting FDev for the mess they have created by this design. It likely sounded good on paper, but sometimes life doesn't listen to paper.
 
I wanted address this separately. Do you think that somehow a disability can always be on equal footing? Besides, your arguing for a single player game, (fallout 4), He has control over his encounters. Does he play Elite in Open? No disrespect intended, (I won't do that.) but comparing a single player game to Open is apples and oranges. Let's put it another way,

Example: He plays elite, and say, docking and supercruise are a challenge, and perhaps able to take down a few mostly harmless NPCs. Would not agree that another player's pimped out corvette is leagues above that? What would you say his success rate would be, his ability to improve over that? How much work would it take to overcome this? Could you ever see your father kicking your butt in combat in Elite?

Again, no disrespect intended, I am attempting to make a relevant point.

But, let's briefly continue, let's say he can't overcome it and gets frustrated. All you can say is "Sorry Dad, you have to sign up for Mobius or play Solo." From his point of view, he now has to leave the broader community of players and go be by him self because he was unable to improve. And this is acceptable? What if he didn't think so, but stopped playing because he had a bad run of luck and was frustrated. Another lost player and the community would get another CMDR smaller.

Again, no disrespect intended, just making a hypothetical point.
Have you ever played MMO before? When you join game, you see people 100+ levels above you, who play for 5 years already or even more, and they kill you just by watching at you. And you have no chance to defeat them, until you level up and gear your hero. Yes they kill you when they have such chance, you can lose experience and time, but sooner or later you will be at same level. Same with Elite, how the hell you want to defeat agressive pilot on corvette, when you sit in sidewinder? You just cant. And i dont know whats wrong with it.
 
Have you ever played MMO before? When you join game, you see people 100+ levels above you, who play for 5 years already or even more, and they kill you just by watching at you. And you have no chance to defeat them, until you level up and gear your hero. Yes they kill you when they have such chance, you can lose experience and time, but sooner or later you will be at same level. Same with Elite, how the hell you want to defeat agressive pilot on corvette, when you sit in sidewinder? You just cant. And i dont know whats wrong with it.

The answer is: Because not everyone wants that kind of game play, and there is no real equivalent game on the market that offers the same kind of immersive game play as Elite Dangerous. What FDev intended, and the kind of crowed they have following the game are not the same. There is a PvE community that gets their own kind of enjoyment out of this game then pew pew. Where else are they going to go? FDev doesn't care about them. at all.

And if you think it's not true, I offer a sampling:

#1.
I have actually had people argue that Elite is not a pvp game,
Open is just where PvP happens - it doesn't define Open, despite the hype of the forums.

Idea rejected
Why is that?

#2.
I offer 102 pages of "why" from this forum.
Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

#3.
And the wiki:
The game is the first in the series to feature online multiplayer, with players having access to a massively multiplayer persistent world, as well as an online-only single player mode.[17] Open Play gameplay is similar to EvE Online in that many actions which would be considered griefing in other multiplayer games are generally permitted here, so long as a valid roleplaying reason is attached. Examples include (but are not limited to) stealing from other players, extortion, and blocking off star systems via blockade or similar means.[18] However, some actions, like "mob mentality" persecution, abusing exploits (such as so-called "Combat Logging," the act of quitting the game in the middle of a fight to avoid death) and cursing are still not allowed,[19][20] and could eventually result in a shadow ban, meaning to lose access to the main server.[21]
"so long as a valid roleplaying reason is attached." I lol'd when I read that part....
Even Other MMOs have their limits this game exceeds.

#4 Marketing
  1. Video
    Looks like a great PvE trailer.
  2. Steam Page paragraph bullet points:
    * A Galaxy Of Wonders
    * A Unique Connected Game Experience
    * Blaze Your Own Trail
    * Massively Multiplayer
    - "where every pilot you face could become a trusted ally or your deadliest enemy" Only line in the entire article that even hints at PvP.
    * A Living Game
    * The Original Open World Adventure
  3. Sony Store page:
    1 player
    Network Players 2-99 -
    Full game requires PlayStation®Plus membership to access online multiplayer
  4. Xbox Store
    Capabilities
    Online multiplayer (1-16)
    Online co-op
    Xbox One X Enhanced
    4K Ultra HD
  5. Elite dangerous store
    Nothing about PvP but one unrealistic trailer.
    The tagline is: 400 Billion Star Systems. Infinite Freedom. Blaze Your Own Trail.
    Yep, that's a way to get PvP'ers in there.
Steam was at least the most honest, even though it was buried in the middle of the article. They attracted the PvE crowed who like to be explorers, all the while, other players shoot them in the back and then wonder why everyone's upset. Bait and Switch, if you ask me. Regardless, it's clear this game is not advertised to the PvP MMO player. It's not touted as a major feature, limitless exploration is.

And this sum's all the above:

Most players purchased ED to wonder at our galaxy in their own time in their own way. For them PvP is just a waste of time and effort.
I wonder where they could have gotten that idea from....?

And me personally.... I didn't buy it for PvP, I bought it because I was looking for something to actually play on my Vive. I didn't even know it was an online game only game at first.
 
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As I take it, Open is already so empty because Milky Way is just so huge (even Bubble if you stay out off just from few systems), so encountering few psychopat killers VERY rarely is equivalent of E.D to encountering those crazy mass murdering npc´s with top skills and top ship in FFE (Elite 3), were very rare, but happened.

I did not cry back then and I will not cry now.
Though 90´s were much different, even better, time.
 
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I did not cry back then and I will not cry now.
Though 90´s were much different, even better, time.

All's well, as I said, FDev ain't doing anything about it anyway, even if it had no impact on Open at all and could build up a shunned community. I wonder if that's what people are afraid of? If FDev actually were to make an Open PvE, the current open would be as lively as CQC? But why would that happen?
 
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All's well, as I said, FDev ain't doing anything about it anyway, even if it had no impact on Open at all and could build up a shunned community. I wonder if that's what people are afraid of? If FDev actually were to make an Open PvE, the current open would be as lively as CQC? But why would that happen?

Thing would be that if Solo and private would be combined to PvE Group (like ghosting in GTA V), we would have devoted solo/private group (with friends perhaps) players that would be uppset about losing their privacy as so many others could now see what system they are trying to make to expand and try to stop it, or block landing pads at good trade routes they have, etc.

Otherwise it would be all fine for me, perhaps people could opt out being seen at all by other players unless friends (including their ship/cargo/landing spot instance, and so on where they could interact with other players who dont wanna interact with invisible, though how would that be different from what we have as options now?).
 
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The answer is: Because not everyone wants that kind of game play, and there is no real equivalent game on the market that offers the same kind of immersive game play as Elite Dangerous. What FDev intended, and the kind of crowed they have following the game are not the same. There is a PvE community that gets their own kind of enjoyment out of this game then pew pew. Where else are they going to go? FDev doesn't care about them. at all.
What "kind of gameplay"? PvP in elite is so basic and can be completely avoidable. Even when someone interdict your ship, you can just dodge his attempt by playing mini-game or you submit intercept and then just FSD from there like it never happened. And it is not true that you cant do anything versus engineered ship or higher class vessel, there are tons youtube videos where people on eagles, vipers and cobras PvP versus endgame ships and win purely by their skills. There are even people who do it with FA off.

I dont have much experience in Elite, only 600 or 700 hours of gameplay, and all of them in Open Mode. And damn game is so huge that i rarely meet players who want to fight here :) Moreover i died only once by "ganker" as you call them, who just interdicred my smuggler-cobra and destroyed my ship just for fun. And i didnt cared much, because of how easy it is to make money here. Lost ship? Who cares really? you dont have to buy it manually, you dont have to outfit it from scratch, you just press 1 button and voila, your new ship with all modules installed.

Sorry i dont want to quote your entire post, my english is too bad to write that much :) So dont think that i dont care what you write there.

The part where you write that nowhere written that you have to PvP here - whaat? Well when i bought Fallout noone told me that i will fight there with huge mutants or crabs. When i bought Skyrim noone told me that i have to fight giant spiders, i am so scared of those s, heh. Same logic for me. Why someone should write about this things officially? Elite Dangerous was in progress for many years, and already then people knew about PvP. There are wiki, all kinds of review where all this things are written, forums. All know about PvP in this game.

Btw we are far from topic. Want combine private and solo - your right to create thread about it :) i just added my 2 cents.
 
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