They aren't excuses and people aren't fanboys just because they apply common sense.
What I don't get is that I've never heard of a good reason why people are grinding, except for PvP maybe.
FDevs does everything have to be a grind?
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They aren't excuses and people aren't fanboys just because they apply common sense.
What I don't get is that I've never heard of a good reason why people are grinding, except for PvP maybe.
Ah-ha .. HOUSE !?
I definitely see updates on missions (slated for 3.2 and 3.3, Q2 and Q3 next year I think) will be really helpful to many people but for myself, genuinely - I have more pew-pew fun in my Imperial Eagle than in ANY other ship I reckon .. and it didn't take me long to buy it either. Do I win five pounds?
Because they don't want a journey, they want reward. They think everything in the life is about that reward. And that's fine. Different things to different folks.
Gameplay - what you call grind - is content of the game. If you don't enjoy it - why do you even play it?
I get that. What I don't get is what they are going to do with their rewards? They can't fight because that would be grinding, they can't do missions because that would be grinding, they can't explore because that would be grinding, etc. Why do they need a Corvette if they don't enjoy the things you can do with it?
I expect he would say, as I do, that the result is ultimately worth it. And I say that as an advocate of grinding, or as I prefer to say it, appropriate time/reward.
I play because I am passed the grind, and finally can do what I want, killing cmdrs in Open.
Then it is game for you
ED is a sim game. It simulates tons of it's actions to provide Elite experience in dynamic galaxy. Some people don't like it, some people want more of detailed gameplay, and hopefully that's coming.
It is really more about living in ED than achieving. People with specific goals clashes with it. Just let it go and enjoy.
Elite is not a simulator. I'm getting sick and tired of reading this around.
It has elements of simulation, just like Skyrim has herb gathering, flower picking, mushrooms and trees but that doesn't make it a botany simulator.
Elite is a theme park single player game with atmospheric flight mechanics,it has half baked elements of other genres/activities bolted onto the main structure such as driving, arcade shooting, coop horde mode, sightseeing and a barebones market for simplistic A-B-A commerce. That's it really.
The fact that you're forcing your way of playing "No goals, let if go and enjoy" in a game marketed as a sandbox blaze your own trail kind of game, an mmo (which is meant and designed to have the player work towards goals), your is such a poor excuse to defend the title that has zero value to this discussion.
Let's face it once and for all, Elite has grind because that's the only viable option the designers had when they had to face a huge amount of work with very little budget and very little time at disposal, so the only thing they found to hide the shallowness and repetitiveness of the whole package was to time gate as much as possible any kind of reward the player may get.
And this design philosophy isn't going to change any time soon.
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Then dont play something you dont enjoy. What's wrong with you?
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Than you can't complain about grinding, you simply bought the wrong game.
It is grinding because you don't enjoy it. You don't enjoy it because you don't want to play the game but something else. The game was never meant to be focused on PvP and FDEV always made that quite clear.
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Nope, nothing needs to be a grind. Thats just the way some people play the game. I do what I enjoy in the game and credits, materials and rep comes from doing that, rank I am not bothered about.
I don't do powerplay as that is a grind mechanic so don't go near it.
ED essentially is a long game based on journey, moment-by-moment experience, space commander life feel.
Yes, it has flaws. Some might call gameplay paper tin. Some call it inch deep. Enriching gameplay is what required to make such game appealing to more goal oriented people. I expect FD to spend majority of 2018 to deepen more of existing gameplay to give more life to experience. It is certainly complex in design and is not your theme park MMO with tiny, visually and audially stunning experiences which make up for on rails experience in those games.
If you try to play it as classic single player open world game, or MMORPG it won't work, because it is not about goals, it is not about end game or about how much credits you have in the end.
Some people find only small part of game appealing and want to force their way trough rest of the game. And then they come here and complain.
It is all fine by the way. I just think this whole context is very important.
Yes, it has flaws. Some might call gameplay paper tin. Some call it inch deep. Enriching gameplay is what required to make such game appealing to more goal oriented people. I expect FD to spend majority of 2018 to deepen more of existing gameplay to give more life to experience. It is certainly complex in design and is not your theme park MMO with tiny, visually and audially stunning experiences which make up for on rails experience in those games.
If you try to play it as classic single player open world game, or MMORPG it won't work, because it is not about goals, it is not about end game or about how much credits you have in the end.
Some people find only small part of game appealing and want to force their way trough rest of the game. And then they come here and complain.
It is all fine by the way. I just think this whole context is very important.
Meanwhile they have fun playing a game they like. Guess the joke's on you, as it has been for the past years.
"Haha, look at those losers having fun!" [haha]
Some here remind me of bartender Moe...
Sim game. It is very important difference here. No one claims it is a simulator. It is a sim game, which means it borrows heavily from simulation part of things, while still being a game.
Skyrim does not simulate herb and flower growth, or faction relationships in real time.
Nope. It is fully dynamic massive online game. It is what it says on tin.
Maybe....just for except a fact economy is fully simulated server side, as goods flow, outfitting modules get produced and supplied, missions are generated according to minor faction needs, minor factions engage in relationships between commanders and other factions and so on and so forth.
Yeah, that's it really. Please stop downplaying ED.
I am not forcing. It is way how game is designed. "Blaze your own trail" is meant to be done WITHIN GAME RULESET. If you really take it literally, I have bridge to sell to you.
MMO does not mean goal oriented gameplay. Please check what MMO means.
Let's face it you don't like ED. You see it as wasting your time. And that's fine. That's what shapes your opinion and I am not gonna change that. But intention is quite clear here, and if it is up to you to decide not to see it.
You did the same year over year too. Think on breathing. Is it to grind life?
Yes, I know some of us don't like doing the same things repetitive, only, if done a second time it already happened.
The perception of grinding always occurs only if you start doing things you don't like to do for any reason.
E.g. I must have this 158.000.000 to buy that Anaconda...
If you don't like it, don't do it. The grind argument stops immediately.
Simply summing up this way:
Don't fly for money, fly for fun.
If you fly for money, you can also go to work.
Regards,
Miklos
It is marketed as one. Stop with this nonsense, enough is enough.
It's like buying apples, find out they taste like bananas and then when I complain about it your entire point of discussion is "Well, if you like bananas you'll definitely enjoy these apples. Maybe apples are not for you, you should eat something else".
That's not what I bought, not what it was marketed, not what it was promised during kickstarter or 1 year ago, 2 years ago.
The fact that you have your own personal bar for liking a mediocre product, doesn't mean that other people will accept it too. Stop forcing your way of playing to others.
If people find engrossingly tedious to play a game that low key forces the player to work for a goal and then it punishes him with hours upon hours of never ending repetitive menial tasks, that's design fault, not the player's.
I'm not sure I agree with this either actually. I know it's what people say - ED is a game game, not a simulator - but I'd say (at present) it's a rudimentary simulation. The whole design ethos is simulation imo, because the galaxy is procedurally generated not scripted. Where ED takes short cuts with the simulation that's generally in places that are complex to simulate .. and to get too far into them at this stage would be a bad priority .. you are though, today, able to play, in the relatively rudimentary simulation. I also say 'relatively' rudimentary, because actually there are a very wide variety of mechanics in the game already.
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I think grind starts being a problem when there's too limited options as to how you complete it.
Thus the money "grind" doesn't bother me at all, rank grind is annoying and powerplay grind is a definite turn off
Thus the money "grind" doesn't bother me at all, rank grind is annoying and powerplay grind is a definite turn off