Federation SWAT overpowered wing

Truesilver

Truesilver
M00ka said:
As for them having weapons and modules not available to the average Commander, well of course they do. Our military and police currently have weapons and gadgets that aren't available to the man or woman on the street, why should the 34th Century be any different.
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I think the Elite concept of the power of the modded lone spacer is a bit more like Millennium Falcon > Empire Equivalent.

That said, personally I have no problem with the idea that law enforcement / military are more powerful than us, otherwise we'd be like emperors of any Independent system we're in. The regular faction cops are so pitiful that we'd be making the laws.

I have to say, though, that the current implementation is rather weird:

Regular police = helpless.

Military = helpless.

Federal Corvette in CZ = helpless.

Imperial Cutter in CZ = helpless.

SWAT team = magic weapons.

I think the whole thing could be made a mite more consistent and credible than that ... work in progress, I hope.
 
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Dbrn47

Dbrn47
Truesilver said:
I think the Elite concept of the power of the modded lone spacer is a bit more like Millennium Falcon > Empire Equivalent.

That said, personally I have no problem with the idea that law enforcement / military are more powerful than us, otherwise we'd be like emperors of any Independent system we're in. The regular faction cops are so pitiful that we'd be making the laws.

I have to say, though, that the current implementation is rather weird:

Regular police = helpless.

Military = helpless.

Federal Corvette in CZ = helpless.

Imperial Cutter in CZ = helpless.

SWAT team = magic weapons.

I think the whole thing could be made a mite more consistent and credible than that ... work in progress, I hope.
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Why? Player ships stopped being credible a while ago. You fight power creep with power creep. If people can tank and fight ATR head on, their purpose wilk be lost.
 

zombieapocalypse

zombieapocalypse
Dbrn47 said:
Why? Player ships stopped being credible a while ago. You fight power creep with power creep. If people can tank and fight ATR head on, their purpose wilk be lost.
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Exactly, experimental effects are effectively magic weapons anyway. So I don't really see the issue. The ATR just have access to magic weapons not available to civilian pilots.
 

Nagual

Nagual
Nicou said:
The thing is that the ATR are totally god-modded. Try fitting a prismatic with 3 shield boosts, modules and weapons on a Vulture.
It's not a matter of "Yeah, ATR system", it's a matter of pushing beyond the normal limits, and that is not cool.

The ATR ships should have ships and equipments top tier - Things that humans can do too - with an excellent AI gameplay to make it competitive.
The current gameplay is broken to me.

+1 this thread and report.
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-1 this thread and report from me. No all NPCs should not be as equal to top tier player ships. Why? Because they can get access to modules and engineering that we don't. Military spec, black ops spec, call it what you like.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
I just see it as a cry from murderers and griefers because now the security now have access to military hardware and are very willing to use it they can't shoot everyone anymore without consequences.

Surely turning the galaxy into a bloodbath brought this on yourselves and as others have said you have to kill or commit a LOT of crimes to get blasted by them.
 

Truesilver

Truesilver
Dbrn47 said:
Why? Player ships stopped being credible a while ago. You fight power creep with power creep. If people can tank and fight ATR head on, their purpose wilk be lost.
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Eh? I agree. Is there something about my post No.43 you disagree with?? I haven't edited it.
 

yodajedifishmaster

yodajedifishmaster
Nicou said:
Hm hm, a Burst laser modded Reverberating Cascade: this doesn't exist.
Reverberating Cascade are for Torpedo Pylons, Mine Launchers.

That's why I said it's unfair. Let the ATR be super heavy Fer de Lance or Corvette or actual very powerful and modded ship.
That, I would agree with. However a Vulture with impossible mods and broken shields is not fair.
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military ships ALWAYS have things civilian ships dont. fact of real life. i see no civil or police helicopters out there with thermal suppression and guns and hellfire missliles - but apache mil spec does. we are NOT military. we are at best mercs with a rank of convenience. the feds and imps navies will ALWAYS have weapons and even ships that just are not available for us to buy - purely for a civil obedience standpoint. no nation state real life or in a logical game, is going to allow the chance for civilians to have weapons that might be able to succeed in a revolt. in america, even, they let civilians 'bear arms' according to the constitution - but they arent allowed to own armed military vehicles. no us citizen has the latest american main battle tank and depleted uranium ammunition for the main gun.

you are suggesting that we SHOULD have those things. never gonna happen. whats happened in the game universe is, the griefing behaviour has led the law enforcement forces to request military assistance. instead of cops, when they cant handle you, you get the navy. you wont win a fight with them because they will always have superior weapons and ships.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Nicou said:
Hm hm, a Burst laser modded Reverberating Cascade: this doesn't exist.
Reverberating Cascade are for Torpedo Pylons, Mine Launchers.

That's why I said it's unfair. Let the ATR be super heavy Fer de Lance or Corvette or actual very powerful and modded ship.
That, I would agree with. However a Vulture with impossible mods and broken shields is not fair.
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Government agents having access to more mods than we have, is perfectly natural.

ATR are not OP. They are just impossible to tank. There are other ways to take them.
Shields aren’t always the answer.
 
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