Federation SWAT overpowered wing

Look, I'm a RP-er with all the pointy dice to prove it.

It is really hurting my mind that the military don't have this stuff. Just the town dog-catchers (...pun intended...)

If Frontier won't rebalance shields they could at least put this stuff on some military ships in some situations ... for muh immershun

I've always despised RP'ing and RPG's - way too much over in the nerd spectrum for me and it makes me cringe mightily.

But if I were to RP (*cringe*) the ATR - they could be explained away as the ships being so extremely specialised and expensively kitted out, and their pilots the creme de la creme and hence expensive in upkeep and pay, that it's simply not possible to fund an entire military based on ATR. Instead, ATR is kept to maintain local law & order - to deal with the most egregious of crimes committed in a star system. That's why the ordinary Law Enforcement deals with crime first, before the last resort of ATR arriving at a crime spree.
 
I already said before ED 3.0 that it should never be possible for a certain technology to make certain modules of your ship like not existant. Make your shield like not existant. That is just a really, really bad game design.
 
Fortunately we don't have to defeat the Thargoids ourself anymore. Just send out the ATR and the Thargoids will be screwed up. :D
 
The purpose of the ATR is to chase off criminals.

It should be completely possible for the game AI to outfly human pilots with NPCs. Especially with an NPC wing. Even the best human pilot will make mistakes and not fly 100% optimally, a computer controlled NPC wing should be able to keep out of line of fire nearly all the time and keep at least one ship on the players six. Also against larger ships, they could bring larger ships to counter.

There is absolutely no need to "cheat" by equipping the NPC ships with weapons that don't exist in the main game.
 
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The purpose of the ATR is to chase off criminals.

It should be completely possible for the game AI to outfly human pilots with NPCs. Especially with an NPC wing. Even the best human pilot will make mistakes and not fly 100% optimally, a computer controlled NPC wing should be able to keep out of line of fire nearly all the time and keep at least one ship on the players six. Also against larger ships, they could bring larger ships to counter.

There is absolutely no need to "cheat" by equipping the NPC ships with weapons that don't exist in the main game.

Unfortunately Frontier do have a need to cheat, though, because the piloting you describe would achieve mere harassment.

The hard ceiling on Imperial Cutter Mj is now 11,300. Reverberating Cascade torps and mines only work on the unwary. FdL's have (obviously) much lower Mj but are actually in many respects more tanky (speed, laterals, profile).

In other words, due to Frontier's own total failure to deal with the products of their own 2.1 hit point inflation, they have had to invent magic reverberating cascade burst lasers. Because otherwise the ATR would literally be unable to cause law-breakers the slightest harm, whatsoever.

The ATR's weapons and the similar buff to station guns (also have reverberating cascade) are a stark admission of Frontier's failure to address shield hp inflation.
 
If anything, ATR should respond even quicker, and give zero warning when they are arriving, judging by a Certain Wizard's human player murder spree yesterday.

That proved the point that ATR are ineffective at dealing with egregious crime sprees.
 
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i think the bad guys would prefer to be swatted really hardcore, instead of cheated.

something like notoriety level 10 spawning a fully G5 engineered squad, like conda, gunship and swarm of vipers, deploying their elite SLFs and railing away.
OFC in ALD space, this would be cutter, clipper and couriers, using TLB plasmas and High-Capacity Hammers (6 shot rails FTW)

:D
 
ATR is not CONCORD.

ATR are polite reminders that it would be very nice indeed if a player would stop doing whatever that player does for a short period of time.
The only missing part is that ATR doesn't say something like "We apologize for any inconvenience we might cause. Please leave this instance for a few seconds before returning to do what you want. We thank you for your cooperation"

People wanted consequences for crimes and people got polite reminders for criminals to stop committing crimes that fast.

There are plans for ATR in supercruise. So don't worry. They won't be polite reminders for long.
 
I anything, ATR should respond even quicker, and give zero warning when they are arriving, judging by a Certain Wizard's human player murder spree yesterday.

That proved the point that ATR are ineffective at dealing with egregious crime sprees.

Well, fact people post it means some get nervous. Wizard might laugh it off at the moment - especially with ATR not hanging out in supercruise - but overall it is step in right direction.
 
Think of them as the guards in Lord British's throne room in Ultima 1. We have our very own version of the invincible NPC town guards from older RPGs. Brings back memories.
 
The first stupid thing that they would have done, would giving FEDERAL ships Aislings Shields, but we all know shes a power of the federation right?

Given they truly had prismatics. Maybe they had very tough engineered resistances which increases the amount of shots requried too.
 
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Well, fact people post it means some get nervous. Wizard might laugh it off at the moment - especially with ATR not hanging out in supercruise - but overall it is step in right direction.

Yes it's not bad for the first iteration - and I'm sure I remember Frontier saying they would tweak response times etc. as well as introducing ATR in supercruise. It'll be interesting to see what they do.

But certainly, if a miscreant can still be able to go on a murder spree without fear of ATR reprisal at the moment, then ATR obviously need to be made even more rabid ;)
 
.... and have ATR confiscate engineered mods if one is destroyed by them :)

Pretty much be the same as a trader being attacked by an apex (seldom escape before kablooey), and not being able to claim the cargo on insurance, which means a total loss and has been the way since the year dot.
 
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