General Gameplay Fence Mechanics

[MarkyB83]

Your Feature Request / Idea
I really hope the way the fences work with containing the different dino 'classes' can be improved.

Large Carnivores, Large Herbivores & Armoured Herbovores - ok, I think the way they break out at the moment is the most realistic. Realistically they should be the only ones capable of breaking through concrete or possibly the heavy steel fence given either their armour, weight or power.

Small Carnivores - I think even when they aren't agitated they should climb the light steel fence easily. I think it's really odd you can get away with using light steel fences for the majority of dinos unless a storm happens?

I think if you electrify light steel it would be enough to deter small carnivores from climbing hem. But, if the power goes out, they should climb it if they test it maybe once without being shocked.

Small Herbivores - NO WAY should they be able to headbutt out of heavy steel or concrete!

 

[DBlac]

I agree with this entirely, nothing needs to be changed for large carnivores like the rex, spino and giga.

If we get the carno and the rest (maybe with the exception of the sucho if it actually gets sized bigger and classified as proper Large) into a medium class, these dinos should have much more difficulty breaking through an electrified heavy steel fence. while still possible, it should take them at least the same difficulty it takes the raptors currently.

And for small carnivores, a few things. Like you say, light steel fence would be terrible at keeping them in. They should attempt to break it the way they do now as they have the body weight for those flimsy bars to break. However, anything but a raptor, in case and hopes of more smaller carnivores being added later, should be incapable of breaking heavy steel. My dilos have some trouble doing that, true, but they can if they really try. This is entirely unrealistic, try hurling yourself at some metal of that size and see if it does anything. Theyre about human size so no way. I think small carnivores may choose to slam heavy steel, but it should do no damage to the fence at all. With seeing that, they will quickly give up.

When it comes to velociraptors and maybe even deinonychus, i would entirely eliminate the behaviour of them even trying to headbutt any fence tougher than an electrified light steel. These creatures are smart, they would know they are incapable of breaking this. They should instead indeed attempt to CLIMB the fence, and if it's not electrified, atleast 70 or 80% of the time they will be successful. If it is electrified then the raptors will be entirely contained unless the power goes out.. If they attempt to climb an electrified steel fence they will just get zapped off, shake it off, screech angrily at the wall and run off.

As for small herbivores, similarly, they should do absolutely nothing to even normal heavy steel fences. Nothing whatsoever. With the exception perhaps of a few pachycephalosaurid types, while i still dont believe its realistic, perhaps they could ram the heavier fences and eventually break them, at least it gives some kind of diversity to the creatures. "Okay this is a gallimimus and it is completely safe in this fence. This is a pachy and unlike any other small herbi, it can break out of any fence so it's a risk, but it's normally extremely docile". Oh and by the way i think that if this route is taken, the pachys should have a high enough attack rating to pose some risk to concrete walls as well. Not a ton, but some.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Your Feature Request / Idea
I really hope the way the fences work with containing the different dino 'classes' can be improved.

Large Carnivores, Large Herbivores & Armoured Herbovores - ok, I think the way they break out at the moment is the most realistic. Realistically they should be the only ones capable of breaking through concrete or possibly the heavy steel fence given either their armour, weight or power.

Small Carnivores - I think even when they aren't agitated they should climb the light steel fence easily. I think it's really odd you can get away with using light steel fences for the majority of dinos unless a storm happens?

I think if you electrify light steel it would be enough to deter small carnivores from climbing hem. But, if the power goes out, they should climb it if they test it maybe once without being shocked.

Small Herbivores - NO WAY should they be able to headbutt out of heavy steel or concrete!

except the pachy AKA elvis.

 

[MarkyB83]

except the pachy AKA elvis.

Oh yeah forgot about them! Stygimoloch as well..

 

[denoth]

I think your proposal is right, I sincerely believe that it is necessary to implement this, since not all dinosaurs have similar anatomies, so their relationship with the fences / electrified should be different.

 

[JohnMiller1132]

I cannot agree more with everything said above.

If this was done for game balance purposes, I would say there are other ways to address the issue of distressing Dinos. Besides attacking fences, they may:-

- Attack other Dinos instead
- Have a lifetime satisfaction meter (can be internal), when it is low, from time to time, they:-

- Easier to fall sick.
- Shorter than expected lifespan
- Tend to attack rangers more often (if vehicle vulnerability prevails),
- Behave erratically, sometimes doesn’t eat and drink, disturbing other Dinos from their normal lives, hostile toward everything etc.
- Stay away from visibility, isolating itself.​

- Worst case scenario – hurt themselves while trying to break the unbreakable.​

In short, breaking fences shouldn’t be the only punishment we get for not taking good care of them.

Edit: One more thing. I would also like to see a Dino getting electric shock. [big grin]

 

[xelono]

Electrified fences or steel fences should not break to the point of disappearing when they have been attacked, their debris should remain on the ground.

The Raptors should climb the fences as an escape attempt (JPOG) and not break them with the head (they are intelligent dinosaurs), the Dilophosaurus as it is a small carnivore should not break the fences completely (like the Gallimimus and their relatives), should stretch and disfigure them to cross them, but not to break them as if they were dinosaurs of great body size.

 

[GonerMcGoner]

Here are my suggestions from the duplicate thread I started (my bad).

Small dinosaurs shouldn't be able to break through heavy steel fences or concrete walls.
No dinosaur should be able to break through the electrified concrete wall as long as the power is on.
An electrified fence should inflict size-based damage to the health of the animal that is breaking out.
Small carnivores should climb non-electrified fences when their comfort level is low.
Dinosaurs should be able to escape when a gate is opened for the ranger team. JP had double gates for a reason. No zoo in the world keeps dangerous predators behind a single automated gate. Please add double gates to the game.

 

[MarkyB83]

Please add double gates to the game.

We can make double gates quite easily with the current building tools, but yeah agree we need a reason to this, i.e. have the more intelligent/quick dinos be sharper at detecting open gates and then making a run for it!

 

[Dark_Ansem]

We can make double gates quite easily with the current building tools, but yeah agree we need a reason to this, i.e. have the more intelligent/quick dinos be sharper at detecting open gates and then making a run for it!

which building tools?

 

[DBlac]

 

[Dark_Ansem]

So, two gates, not a double one lol

 

[Winterwalker]

We can make double gates quite easily with the current building tools, but yeah agree we need a reason to this, i.e. have the more intelligent/quick dinos be sharper at detecting open gates and then making a run for it!

I think this might be genuinely tricky to get to work because in the current game the second gate seems to make the dinosaur feel the enclosure is complete, and because it's a small space the gate area is not interesting to go into. (I did build trap , on Pena for the mission, and used feeders to get the animal in there). If you don't have inter-locks though--> (open inner door) (jeep) (close inner door + check no dinosaur)(unlock outer door) .. you'll end up with either (a) keepers letting dinosaurs out or (b) indecisive carnivores who will go into a gate and then back out just in case it's double gate system. Could be done with a special gate I think maybe but not straightforward. Prefer to build my own double gates than have a widget double-gate though.

For the fences I think electric shocks would teach / train the dinosaur about the fence and suppress break out attempts, by reducing paddock size needs but possibly also reducing social, leading to squabbles. I don't mind if the dinosaurs can breach them, even when powered, as the animal could dig out or climb a badly maintained fence (except their stress level would need to be that much higher to try) and would love that animation added.

 

[DBlac]

So, two gates, not a double one lol

For all intents and purposes that is exactly what you ask for, just achieved in a different way. You want a special building, which is kind of lazy, uncreative and honestly a bit of a waste of time given we can already achieve this with the available tools.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

For all intents and purposes that is exactly what you ask for, just achieved in a different way. You want a special building, which is kind of lazy, uncreative and honestly a bit of a waste of time given we can already achieve this with the available tools.

Excuse me? This is not my thread.

 

[DBlac]

Excuse me? This is not my thread.

Yes, but in the process of discussing this thread's topic someone suggested "double doors". I was discussing the relativity of said proposed addendum to this thread. Now i realise that it wasnt you who asked for the double gates, looking back, but your commenting the way you did on the gate setup i posted threw me. Apologies for that.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Yes, but in the process of discussing this thread's topic someone suggested "double doors". I was discussing the relativity of said proposed addendum to this thread. Now i realise that it wasnt you who asked for the double gates, looking back, but your commenting the way you did on the gate setup i posted threw me. Apologies for that.

Correct, it wasn't me.

 

[denoth]

Is this what you mean?

 

[stolemyname]

I like the idea, visually, of them climbing out, but from a game play viewpoint, it's a management sim. They want you to manage chaos. What would the Rangers have to fix? For this kind of idea to work you'd need to introduce something else in conjunction.

 

[Falco57]

Can the team please allow us the build gates over pathways? It would be perfect for us with safari-type parks and air lock type gate systems, or if we want to create an area off limits to the public. It seems like a simple thing to implement!