Viajero
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lol, fair enough!
For those seeking answers why David was keen to release ED as bare minimum - read this
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lol, fair enough!
I'd like to know why not a single media outlet has the stones to ask David the real questions instead of cookie cutter "Hey, it's the 1982 Elite guy!!".
I'd also like to know why David has been on his own forum a grand total of what 2-3 times? I realize we are all beneath him and all that but, even the Caesar had to brave the foul breath of the common Romans on occasion. His majesty could grace us with his presence, so WE could ask why he slung so much rubbish ourselves. Oh wait.....
I'd also like to know why David has been on his own forum a grand total of what 2-3 times? I realize we are all beneath him and all that but, even the Caesar had to brave the foul breath of the common Romans on occasion. His majesty could grace us with his presence, so WE could ask why he slung so much rubbish ourselves. Oh wait.....
Yeah, the real questions!
What kind of cheese is the moon made of?
Why is the Sasquatch known as Bigfoot when he has such small feet?
Where is Wally?
It's no good dodging the issues Braben, the people have a right to know!
What kind of cheese is the moon made of?
Why is the Sasquatch known as Bigfoot when he has such small feet?
Where is Wally?
It's no good dodging the issues Braben, the people have a right to know!
Says this.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/archive/b6061100.txt
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Evidence?
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Hardly successful for the backers expecting the game for which they paid.
Getting the largest failed kickstarter in the UK, and having to refund backers to stay out of court.
That's not a start. It is an end. I'll be amazed if KS allows another go for Braben and his false promises.
As for financial backing, tell me how much ED has received SINCE the company reneged on delivering the promised game?
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Is it true the only people who cared about Offline Mode getting cut right before launch are people who work on oil rigs?
I'm less concerned with the "bare minimum" as I am the "working correctly" right now, admittedly. No huur duuur chargeback concerned, but still.
Goes to Banki, tanks reputation with Federation and Gold Advanced Partners for having the audacity to cash in warzone kill missions from said faction.
Earns discount on outfitting from community mission, not a single thing for sale (at least visible to a cobra) in the outfitting screen.
Etc. Just slap "Early Access" on the title officially and you'll get a lot more people defending that sort of implementation of current features. Even compared to now.
EDIT: I mean, if I didn't constantly trip face first into broken, or seemingly broken things for everything outside of "Grind credits, fly space ship", what is currently implemented would be pretty amazing. I stopped hoping for Empire naval rank missions to ever show up once I hit overall friendly with the Empire, and still not a single chance to rank up even once (and I got the push from neutral to Friendly by.... Killing Empire ships in a Civil war in Cegreeth, of course! Reputation with the Crimson Boys I was fighting for never so much as got a single blue or red arrow).
I'm less concerned with the "bare minimum" as I am the "working correctly" right now, admittedly. No huur duuur chargeback concerned, but still.
Goes to Banki, tanks reputation with Federation and Gold Advanced Partners for having the audacity to cash in warzone kill missions from said faction.
Earns discount on outfitting from community mission, not a single thing for sale (at least visible to a cobra) in the outfitting screen.
Etc. Just slap "Early Access" on the title officially and you'll get a lot more people defending that sort of implementation of current features. Even compared to now.
EDIT: I mean, if I didn't constantly trip face first into broken, or seemingly broken things for everything outside of "Grind credits, fly space ship", what is currently implemented would be pretty amazing. I stopped hoping for Empire naval rank missions to ever show up once I hit overall friendly with the Empire, and still not a single chance to rank up even once (and I got the push from neutral to Friendly by.... Killing Empire ships in a Civil war in Cegreeth, of course! Reputation with the Crimson Boys I was fighting for never so much as got a single blue or red arrow).
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BlackReign
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if you really think that a 2 star systems is equal to 400 billion star systems nothing I can say will help you get it. This game's way over your head. You r free to resume your whine.
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After the second page, I couldn't bare to read any more. Do none of you even realize that the topic of this thread, which obviously is meant in a hostile way, has nothing to support the topics claim from that interview at all? It's like the OP put something in you head, you either actually read the interview or glossed over, and instead of taking in what was there, you've chosen to manufacture reactions out of context. And there definitely wasn't anything stated about in any aspect as to "why David was keen to release ED as bare minimum".
I get that some (many?) feel cheated because everything on the bucket list stated during the kickstart didn't come to fruition, and with the majority of you crying foul in the forums, you'd almost think none of it came through. You all seem to outright choose to ignore what did come out at release as if it's nothing.
To be fair, the ONLY thing that has hurt multiplayer on the whole is the decision to go with p2p instancing. Grouping up with your mates, friends, families, guy down the street that sells you your coffee is exceptionally "iffy" to do with instancing. Comms an issue? Teamspeak and Ventilo... two of the most common (and popular) voice chat programs out there and none of you act like have heard of them? When has it ever been a developer's responsibility to hand hold you through the game, provide you with a "strategy guide" to make it all that much more easy to learn both about and how to play the game "successfully"?
Take some personal responsibility for your inability to accept not everything promised is what you're going to get. Paid for or not.
I get that some (many?) feel cheated because everything on the bucket list stated during the kickstart didn't come to fruition, and with the majority of you crying foul in the forums, you'd almost think none of it came through. You all seem to outright choose to ignore what did come out at release as if it's nothing.
To be fair, the ONLY thing that has hurt multiplayer on the whole is the decision to go with p2p instancing. Grouping up with your mates, friends, families, guy down the street that sells you your coffee is exceptionally "iffy" to do with instancing. Comms an issue? Teamspeak and Ventilo... two of the most common (and popular) voice chat programs out there and none of you act like have heard of them? When has it ever been a developer's responsibility to hand hold you through the game, provide you with a "strategy guide" to make it all that much more easy to learn both about and how to play the game "successfully"?
Take some personal responsibility for your inability to accept not everything promised is what you're going to get. Paid for or not.
So, I should not expect successfully completing missions to RAISE my standing, instead of lowering them? Among other things?
I suppose my current 10% discount on outfitting for the next three days for my current contribution to the new and touted community missions is technically true. 10% off of nothing in stock, is still a discount.
There are plenty of people wildly overreacting, making accusations about things that range from untrue to greatly exaggerated or twisting facts, But it can get old being hit from both sides being told you both what is currently implemented is more than enough for a game, but god help you if you want trailer worthy content to work right even after extra beta testing or anything else that is implemented to not be a this buggy.
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It raises your standing the faction whom offered you the contract (usually), and possibly lowers your reputation with another, all depending on the mission type. As to anything dealing with the community goals, that's in alpha/beta I would say. It was just added in and will have teething issues.
The faction that offered it, IS the faction I lost it with in Banki. It is apparently a common issue over there.
Also, how is it Alpha/Beta? I'm playing the live build, the community goals are in the live build. You lose the "It's BETA!" excuse once it goes live or launches. Especially when flaws that were known in the most recent beta testing still make it to live.
But hey, at least we're up to "Point defense shoots down your own missiles" slipping into live updates. That's at least TWICE as good as "Having point defense equipped crashes your game", right? Improvements are being made, just look at the 1,000 LY pathing, that's amazing. But that does not change the fact much remains broken, gets fixed then breaks again, or we're told is fixed only to turn around and see it's still not working quite right.
EDIT: Of course, functional content is a completely separate issue to amount of content. The AMOUNT of sandbox they buried your box of legos in isn't my issue. Faction mechanics have been wonky for (what feels like, wow it's only February) months in many cases, especially where civil wars are involved. But just the Banki situation as an example, is much more high profile because it's something that not only got a whole extra phase of beta testing, but is also the latest bulletpoint of "NEW CONTENT" complete with trailers.
Which I guess does tie into the thread title theme of bare minimum release. You can take the community mission in Banki. The progress bar tracks when you cash in combat vouchers... But other missions are bugged to hurt you, and the global rewards may as well not be there because what good is a percent off discount in outfitting, when there are no parts to buy in the outfitting screen? I think I heard that in the Beta testing, one place's award was "50% off buying a Python at this station", but the place didn't sell Pythons soooo...
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No problem, as soon as David takes personal responsibility that not everything he promised is what we got.
Insider trading? Corporate espionage? Imagination ftw? The beta part was for the community goals, which I'm not convinced is ready. Never mind there's a humongous lack of balance where players come in. For some, you're playing an alliance paladin, but the server is 90% horde (WoW reference).
Some of the bugs introduced with new features are (sometimes) entertaining, no?
Because the interviewed is supposed to have the final word in whether the interview proceeds to print. So, unless the interviewed sees bad PR as good PR there is no point in asking.
To be fair, there is a bit in the interview where David talks about how he gets carried away with the development to the point where technology is so far ahead that his own piece of code is no longer groundbreaking or at least relevant. That's the main reason for early release, along with Christmas, of course. Who cares anyway? The point of no return was passed long ago. Some developers can prioritise well, so the holes in the development are in less meaningful areas, like graphics, some get carried away and concentrate too much on graphics and fluff, so the customers who enjoy the substance more than anything else are unhappy.
Anyway, one white knight dying every day.
The dark knight rises! (With Bane voice)
I care and so should you. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "white knight" but, if standing up for myself and holding others to their word makes me one then so be it.
If the person interviewed has say so over the interviewer, well, that's just ridiculous and makes the interviewer little more than a lap dog begging for scraps. Yay capitalism!
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That makes you a dark knight in the eyes of the "defenders-no-matter-what".
Anyway, I used both metaphors to show that "blind believers" are dying every day, and humour the way defenders jump on everyone, who has valid concern, even though the "attacker" likes the game and genuinely cares about it's well being. You know, as in, black or white, just two colours... no middle ground. I find this sectarian attitude quite funny and speaking-for-itself, when evaluating someone's objectivity. As for the second bit: the interview is a fluid matter. I don't know if you've been interviewed in the past, but, it's decent to expect the interviewed to have the final say, as the full context is (presumably) only visible to him as he is the professional, and journalist is merely a journalist.. So, in many cases he gets to edit the final bit, crossing unnecessary stuff out, which is alright, I guess. Plus, it's in the journalist's best interest to pitch his sales by getting that valuable interview, or else the interviewed goes somewhere else with his interview. So, high ground for "the professional" here again.
It takes a very smart journalist to eat the cake and have it too, if you take my meaning.
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