Forced solo?

[MINDWIPE]

Is this confirmed? Got a reference?

alas that is confirmed for xbox one (at least during the timed exclusive)

they will play in their own solo and open play instance seperate from pc/mac but they will be able to contribute to community goals and effect the economy on as with all versions of the game

put that down to Microsoft Xbox Red Tape....

as for the PS4 version i cant say. however PS4 most likely will allow for cross platform play (as the do with games with war thunder) nothing confirmd on PS4 but on xbox will be firewalled on multiplayer cross platform player v player

 

[cherbert]

This is by design so far. Windows doesnt communicate with Xbox1. But recently MS suggested this may change with W10.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...cross-platform-play-between-pcs-and-xbox-one/

But Frontier are not using Microsoft's networking platform. It has been confirmed by David Braben that they will indeed share the same galaxy. What is unclear is if that just means the galaxy state or seeing other players too.

The fact they are at least getting the same galaxy would indicate that cross-platform networking is not an issue. Its mostly likely the policy Microsoft have to not allow cross-platform with PC or PS4. Its a written policy not a technical one. Same reason Final Fantasy isn't releasing on XBONE.

 

[gary.brain]

Is this confirmed? Got a reference?

lol confirmed.......

DB mentioned in the post that the data will be shared meaning but this is open to interpretation. I would say No they would not be sharing the same servers. If they did the PC community would have to wait for all Microsoft patch approval system and I don't think that would go down too well.

"I’m also pleased to announce PC, Mac and Xbox One players will all share the same overarching narrative and galaxy state. That means even more players contributing to the wars, power struggles and Community Goals across the galaxy. "


But anything is possible with this game

 

[shadragon]

Most of us understand that not everyone can fly a ship and type 100 words/minute, so I wouldn't worry. It does play a chime noise, but it's not very loud - wish they'd let us set up custom sound packs etc. Last time I looked, it said 5700 members... but it's gaining hundreds of members/day so it's impossible to keep up. It's rapidly becoming THE default PvE group. Give us a wave if you see me around.

5791 in Mobius as of a few seconds ago. I suspect it will be 6000+ by months end at this rate.

cherbert - The issue of Wings of Vultures came about when they lowered the prices on that piece of kit. It isn't a flaw, per se, but a deliberate skewing of ship costs to "equalize" incomes and facilitate "progression". You won't see changes to that because they will start screaming bloody murder if you tried to take that away. The pew pew crowd like screaming, you see.

Expect everyone with an over developed trigger finger to have Pythons and 'condas in short order.

"They constructed a board with a nail in it, but they won't stop there. They'll construct bigger boards with bigger nails, and then they'll construct a board with a nail in it so large, it will destroy them all..." ~ Kodos

 

[Herik]

Wow, did you actually read what I wrote, or just see one word and get offended? Most of the morons are in open... but not all people in open are morons in fact I would say that most of the people in open are NOT morons. It's just that open is where the morons tend to live.

This! You are correct.

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The problem is, you would never find a player if they looked the same as NPCs. Even with the current mechanics, how many players do you see compared to AIs... maybe a ratio of 1:1000? It wouldn't just kill PvP, it would kill all player interaction. I'd rather all players who are not interested in player interaction go to solo, than basically turning open into solo.

Hey; that's what I want..

 

[shadragon]

Is this confirmed? Got a reference?

There was a forum post. XBox players share the same galaxy, but different instances. There will be no interaction between XBox and PC players.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=121383

Scroll down to Robert Maynards comment on page one.

 

[Sandmann]

This is by design so far. Windows doesnt communicate with Xbox1. But recently MS suggested this may change with W10.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...cross-platform-play-between-pcs-and-xbox-one/

Sounds like a good reason to stay on Win 7 if you ask me.

alas that is confirmed for xbox one (at least during the timed exclusive)

they will play in their own solo and open play instance seperate from pc/mac but they will be able to contribute to community goals and effect the economy on as with all versions of the game

put that down to Microsoft Xbox Red Tape....

I suspect it'd have a LOT to do with ED's use of P2P networking... I strongly suspect that MS wouldn't want to compromise their system in that way.

as for the PS4 version i cant say. however PS4 most likely will allow for cross platform play (as the do with games with war thunder) nothing confirmd on PS4 but on xbox will be firewalled on multiplayer cross platform player v player

There is a quote floating around, apparently David Braben tweeted that it was an XBone exclusive for a limited time (6 months if I remember correctly) and that after that it would open up to PS4.

 

[cherbert]

There was a forum post. XBox players share the same galaxy, but different instances. There will be no interaction between XBox and PC players.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=121383

Scroll down to Robert Maynards comment on page one.

Thats just his opinion. He is a moderator not a member of staff. I agree its unlikely though and I think its down to Microsofts policy of not allowing cross-platform rather than it being a technical issue. This is why Final Fantasy XIV is not coming to XBONE. But it could change in the future.

Anyway.. back on topic.

 

[Sandmann]

"I’m also pleased to announce PC, Mac and Xbox One players will all share the same overarching narrative and galaxy state. That means even more players contributing to the wars, power struggles and Community Goals across the galaxy. "

That's the thing though isn't it... it's all interpretation right now with people believing whatever they WANT it to mean. You could equally say that open, group, and solo "share the same overarching narrative and galaxy state.[/quote] but they certainly don't play together. So if that's all there is, right now we're all just jumping at shadows.

 

[bonsek]

Wings or not, if you choose the weaker side (1 vs 3-4) in a warzone you are going to loose.

It has nothin to do with wings. It happened way before wings, now you just have better communication between players in warzone, nothing else. People like to eliminate the highest threat (hollow red triangle) first, and that's the nature of the beast.

To remedy this I would remove CMDR indicators in warzones and also would allow for lone CMDRS to hire NPC wingman.

The warzones are not balanced by number of players like in Counter Strike or COD, you make the decision of what side you are going to "try" to support.

 

[cherbert]

Wings or not, if you choose the weaker side (1 vs 3-4) in a warzone you are going to loose.

Not the greatest solution to a problem asking people to join the strongest side. That just makes the problem worse.

 

[Darth Ender]

lone commanders (like myself) should be smart enough to not engage wings of cmdr's (or even large wings of npcs). If you want to go at it alone, go somewhere where you aren't taking on groups. The galaxy is very big and it's extremely easy to avoid human players without having to leave open.

You dont need npc hired wings. You dont need to limit who wings can interact with. You dont need to hide cmdr indicators. What you need are friends or you need to go to a system that is less interesting to those that do have friends.

 

[Sandmann]

Wings or not, if you choose the weaker side (1 vs 3-4) in a warzone you are going to loose

Churchill may have had something to say about that in the late 1930's... but I suspect he was a Vulture pilot on his days off.

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lone commanders (like myself) should be smart enough to not engage wings of cmdr's (or even large wings of npcs). If you want to go at it alone, go somewhere where you aren't taking on groups

Ahh, the natural evolution of the "if you don't like pvp go play in solo" argument. I was wondering how long it would take for this to appear. Now it's "If you don't like wolf packs, go play somewhere else".

 

[Glock_N_Load]

I like CMDR Nick's suggestion of it being optional is a good one. If Frontier are willing to allow people to drop into Solo I see no reason not to allow them to disguise themselves as an NPC. It actually seems to be a sensible way to encourage more people into Open.

The PvPers screaming has backfired on them because now everyone is going private or solo. Seems like the idea could have been a great compromise.

FD caters to a MINORITY and the Majority head toward private and solo. Now all that minority can talk about are ways to encourage "FORCE" these players back into open play. What is wrong with this picture. I'm playing as much as I can while I can because this minority that has their ear will ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[cherbert]

lone commanders (like myself) should be smart enough to not engage wings of cmdr's (or even large wings of npcs). If you want to go at it alone, go somewhere where you aren't taking on groups. The galaxy is very big and it's extremely easy to avoid human players without having to leave open.

You dont need npc hired wings. You dont need to limit who wings can interact with. You dont need to hide cmdr indicators. What you need are friends or you need to go to a system that is less interesting to those that do have friends.

One of the single biggest mechanics being added to the game right now for our enjoyment and your suggestion is to avoid it? The War in Lugh is a test and requires feedback like this. I think I'd rather debate the balancing issues so I can potentially enjoy the mechanic in Open as much as I do in Solo (where it appears to be less broken).

I don't want to avoid the Conflict Zones because they are great fun.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

1 thing which, whilst not solving it, would maybe help (and please FD do not fix it yet ) would be to make us commit to factions and it being a "thing" for us to change sides.

I am currently friendly with the federation, and it is nuts that I should be able to do the mission siding with the "other" side, without the feds hating me at the end of it.

if we had to make our beds and sleep in it, and any decision to change sides was something with consequences which lasted for a good number of hrs game time, then maybe these things would balance out more.

Of course this would mean what is a really profitable goal for the feds this time, would have to be balanced next time for whoever is on the other side, so it would mean that not every community goal would be a cash cow for all, and we would not be able to jump in, see which side suits our fancy, then jump out and swap sides at will.

 

[bonsek]

Not the greatest solution to a problem asking people to join the strongest side. That just makes the problem worse.

That was a statement and a fact, not a proposed solution, if you read my whole post you will find my proposed solution at the bottom.

lone commanders (like myself) should be smart enough to not engage wings of cmdr's (or even large wings of npcs). If you want to go at it alone, go somewhere where you aren't taking on groups. The galaxy is very big and it's extremely easy to avoid human players without having to leave open.

You dont need npc hired wings. You dont need to limit who wings can interact with. You dont need to hide cmdr indicators. What you need are friends or you need to go to a system that is less interesting to those that do have friends.

This is true too, there are plenty of warzones. But the community goal warzone will be dominated by a side that has the majority of human CMDRs.

 

[cherbert]

1 thing which, whilst not solving it, would maybe help (and please FD do not fix it yet ) would be to make us commit to factions and it being a "thing" for us to change sides.

Very good point. This would stop people joining the stronger side when it suits. This could actually create more balanced battles.

 

[Tall_Toot]

Tried an Open conflict zone in a heavily populated system last night, first time since Wings came out just to give it a try. Whacked one solo PC, got whacked by a wing a couple of minutes later.

Lessons learned from the experience? The ships in conflict zones still don't pay out like a RES, properly coordinated teams will always beat the solo player (obviously), and they certainly aren't worth the (solo) risk if PC wings are about.

So does one cry all the way to Solo? Stiff upper lip man - adapt, improvise and overcome.....

 

[CMDR Nick]

I don't want to sound negative, because there is much about the game that is brilliant - especially the graphics, sound and concept. But for me as an essentially lone player, the wings update has provided zero.