Formidine Rift... what is it?

[RollinStoner]

The far I understood the phrasing, she got to the edge of it - not past it, however.

This would be my understanding also, she states that she "got as far as the formidine rift" which suggests she got to it but not past it, I imagine that if she had got past she would have say something like "I got out beyond" or something similar, however, since she also says no one had got to the other side and lived to talk about it, it could be that she has reservations about telling anyone if she did get past it, I suppose it depends if the things she describes are to be found within the rift itself.

I've not quite caught up with all this yet - only just got around to starting Reclamation yesterday, I know, for shame - so I could obviously be wary off with no idea what I'm talking about. Just my thoughts on that particular phrasing.

 

[Han_Zen]

You're missing something from the etymology of Kahina. Extracted from wikipedia:..Dihya, Dahiyah, Dahia, Dhabba or Kahina (the title Kahin meant Prophetess) was a Berber (possibly Jewish) warrior queen, religious and military leader who led indigenous resistance to Arab Islamic expansion in Northwest Africa, the region then known as Numidia; used a scorched earth policy against the invading Saracens, destroying cities, orchards, and herds of sedentary Berbers, to make North Africa a desert, but that in turn lost her their support & she was finally defeated. Died around the end of the 7th century in modern-day Algeria. Supposedly, Dihya had a passion for ornithology that shaped science and learning in early North Africa. The TV series Relic Hunter (episode 64) -the relic hunters recover an artefact (Saddle) that had belonged to Kahina & Kahina is seen in flashback scenes.

So basically Kahina led resistance to invasion- I think things are going to hot up soon.

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I spotted the ancient gods references; also don't forget Persephone (station where Kahina had her ship refitted) - Persephone, also called Kore or Cora "the maiden"), is the daughter of Zeus and the harvest goddess Demeter, and is the queen of the underworld. Persephone was abducted by Hades, the god-king of the underworld. ('Kore' = "Core" ??). However where is the Hades sector? couldn't see it on galmap.

Kahina the Berber queen's main enemy was named Hasan. He was a general for the Umayyad Dynasty, that invaded Berber controlled land.

Which dynasty is invading Kahinas land in ED?

 

[dynamicbob]

the obvious is the season two the missing storyline which is barley unfolding so far, i think paying attention to that could be itneresting.

Also buying us time to map as many collective systems as we can as well. it would be good to get even more players out there mapping

 

[Dielos]

Kahina the Berber queen's main enemy was named Hasan. He was a general for the Umayyad Dynasty, that invaded Berber controlled land.

Which dynasty is invading Kahinas land in ED?

Althoug I really loved the book, it certainly didn't give me any respect for the Loren family or the Empire in general. In the case of ED, I'd say it was Kahina's dynasty that invaded the Berbers, and not the other way around. In this case, I'd see the Berbers as the ones trying to free their land from the oppressing Loren dynasty.

Interesting connection nevertheless. I do wonder if the Hasan from the Berbers does indeed have anything to do with Hassan from Reclamation, as they were enemies in the north African stories, but allies in Reclamation.

 

[Han_Zen]

Althoug I really loved the book, it certainly didn't give me any respect for the Loren family or the Empire in general. In the case of ED, I'd say it was Kahina's dynasty that invaded the Berbers, and not the other way around. In this case, I'd see the Berbers as the ones trying to free their land from the oppressing Loren dynasty.

Interesting connection nevertheless. I do wonder if the Hasan from the Berbers does indeed have anything to do with Hassan from Reclamation, as they were enemies in the north African stories, but allies in Reclamation.

I don't think the old Kahina was a very nice person either. She burned the cities in her land, to stop the invaders.

Prism system has been taken from Kahina in a silent invasion. When old Kahina understood that she would lose the war, she sent her sons to the enemy. Hasan gave them high positions in the forces.

ED Kahina left Prism, but sent her 'son' Cuthrick Delaney to the enemy to keep local control in the family.

The ED version of the Dynasty, might be a group within the Empire. Possibly involving Blain, Arissa and Paterius. To early to tell, but there is something roten in the Empire.

I don't know if Emperors Dawn is involved or if they are a secret resistance, fighting for the true Empire.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

That sentence of her could as well imply that nobody got past it but her. Sadly, it's unclear to me, but English is not my main language and I could understand it wrong...

I also agree (as an Englishman), that her sentence implies she did not cross to the other side of the Rift & whatever/wherever the Rift mystery, it is within the RIft. If she had crossed then the phrasing would have been something like "No one ELSE has gone past it and lived to tell the tale"; "Once you reach the rift, you're going to have to plot a way across" could mean that the mystery is within the middle OR at the far edge of the Rift, but still within it (though I understand the boundary is rather fuzzy)

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[Jorki Rasalas]

Kahina the Berber queen's main enemy was named Hasan. He was a general for the Umayyad Dynasty, that invaded Berber controlled land.

Which dynasty is invading Kahinas land in ED?

Could be Klaxians &/or Oresrians (think we were promised Thargoids in the current season- 2.4??); could be another alien species we haven't come across yet, perhaps angry barnacloids?
I think the intimation is that invasion will happen soon (& maybe has already started- where have all the Capital ships disappeared to? & they disappeared shortly after Kahina's trip from Empire, to Federation, to Alliance & back perhaps unifying the major powers against an imminent threat, then she goes galactic walkabout - an Intel mission perhaps?)

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Seems to me that she is triangulating a possition.

- She had the general direction, with the RR line.
- She went to Sol's gas giants (open space far from the Sun), to get a unobscured 'view' of the area. She spotted or heard what she was looking for.
- She went to Earth to read old protocols. Perhaps catalogs of radio sources.
- She goes out 90° to triangulate, to get the distance.

To me it seems she is looking for a dim object (black hole) inside a dark nebula. Very hard to spot in flight and in the GalMap.

Hence your interest in supernovae remanants (i.e. black holes)?

 

[Dielos]

I also agree (as an Englishman), that her sentence implies she did not cross to the other side of the Rift & whatever/wherever the Rift mystery, it is within the RIft. If she had crossed then the phrasing would have been something like "No one ELSE has gone past it and lived to tell the tale"; "Once you reach the rift, you're going to have to plot a way across" could mean that the mystery is within the middle OR at the far edge of the Rift, but still within it (though I understand the boundary is rather fuzzy)

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That makes sense, I will follow your words. I will head into the rift from the far side then... Good that an Englishman cleared this for me! Thanks!

 

[two quiet suns]

i am just coming back from the far side and i found nothing!

 

[piy]

Drew said Salomé is due to reach beagle point at the end of March. Maby there's a galnet post coming in the next few weeks? Or....see where she go's when she gets back.

 

[Acheron Kimald]

I also agree (as an Englishman), that her sentence implies she did not cross to the other side of the Rift & whatever/wherever the Rift mystery, it is within the RIft. If she had crossed then the phrasing would have been something like "No one ELSE has gone past it and lived to tell the tale"; "Once you reach the rift, you're going to have to plot a way across" could mean that the mystery is within the middle OR at the far edge of the Rift, but still within it (though I understand the boundary is rather fuzzy)
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Agreed, it could also be an error in the writing as the two passages kind of contradict themselves. Either way, I'll be coming back into the rift from the other side.

 

[Han_Zen]

Hence your interest in supernovae remanants (i.e. black holes)?

Jepp. Could also be a neutron star or even a Quark star (If they exist).

 

[SystemSound]

Been tinfoiling again...

Drew said that Engineers patch (2.1) will make it easier to find the "rift". And many speculated that its probably a FSD upgrade that will help us. But! The ship that was used to reach the "rift" before was a combat Cobra with less than 25ly jump range.
So maybe what he was hinting, is not a FSD upgrade but either scanners/sensors?

 

[Han_Zen]

Been tinfoiling again...

Drew said that Engineers patch (2.1) will make it easier to find the "rift". And many speculated that its probably a FSD upgrade that will help us. But! The ship that was used to reach the "rift" before was a combat Cobra with less than 25ly jump range.
So maybe what he was hinting, is not a FSD upgrade but either scanners/sensors?

GalMap bookmarks.

 

[SystemSound]

GalMap bookmarks.

Hmm. Good point...

 

[Dielos]

GalMap bookmarks.

Yes, that's going to be extremely helpful. Having to plot the line with Sidewinders in Reorte and Riedquat or Excel is very inaccurate.

 

[domaq]

Drew said Salomé is due to reach beagle point at the end of March. Maby there's a galnet post coming in the next few weeks? Or....see where she go's when she gets back.

Salomé is indeed with the DW fleet and we are scheduled to start arriving at BP on 2 April. In the live feed last night, MB also said explorers would need to be armed in the future. Whether that is from a supernova-like explosion of barnacles, human adaptation of old Thargoid technology, or new aliens themselves, it seems that the April 1-2 time frame will be a good gauge of what is to come.

It is also puzzling that, if Erimus did find something out there early on and was told to keep it secret, that he is also part of the foundation of the DW trip. Could it be that Distant Worlds (Dark Wheel?) is actually part of the galactic story line; thus FD's active involvement in supporting it?

Even if the roots of this mystery were in the game early on as Drew has stated, that doesn't mean the story's next iteration doesn't have to require SRVs.

 

[Alkibiades]

I also agree (as an Englishman), that her sentence implies she did not cross to the other side of the Rift & whatever/wherever the Rift mystery, it is within the RIft. If she had crossed then the phrasing would have been something like "No one ELSE has gone past it and lived to tell the tale"; "Once you reach the rift, you're going to have to plot a way across" could mean that the mystery is within the middle OR at the far edge of the Rift, but still within it (though I understand the boundary is rather fuzzy)

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with this in mind we should concentrate on the r-r line between x=-7000 and x=-9000. i'm gonna calculate new y values in 100ly steps in between.

-7.000,00	-5.463,78	HYPOAE AIM XT-O B33-1	behind heart&soul nebula
-8.000,00	-6.246,58	PHOI AESCS HS-W B56-0	edge of the rift
-9.000,00	-7.029,39	PHOI AESCS SP-G C10-0	inside the rift

will edit with new coordinaters and systems next to it.

X	Y	nearest system	Y=.782805 * X + 15.8587
-7.000,00	-5.463,78	HYPOAE AIM XT-O B33-1	behind heart&soul nebula
-7.100,00	-5.573,77	HYPOAE AIM AK-X B28-1
-7.200,00	-5.652,05	HYPOAE AIM DQ-E B25-0
-7.300,00	-5.730,33	HYPOAE AIM EL-N B20-0
-7.400,00	-5.808,61	HYPOAE AIM IM-U B16-1
-7.500,00	-5.886,89	HYPOAE AIM UO-Z B13-0	brown dwarf layer at z -40
-7.600,00	-5.965,17	HYPOAE AIM XE-R C4-2	--||--
-7.700,00	-6.043,45	HYPOAE AIM CW-N B6-0	--||--
-7.800,00	-6.121,73	HYPOAE AIM TZ-U B2-0	--||--
-7.900,00	-6.200,01	PHOI AESCS WJ-X C28-1
-8.000,00	-6.246,58	PHOI AESCS HS-W B56-0	edge of the rift
-8.100,00	-6.356,57	PHOI AESCS FR-C C26-1	looks reachable
-8.200,00	-6.434,85	PHOI AESCS GW-E D11-2	looks reachable
-8.300,00	-6.513,14	PHOI AESCS KS-J C22-0	inside the rift, possibly reachable from the inner arm
-8.400,00	-6.591,42	PHOI AESCS ZP-G D10-2	--||--
-8.500,00	-6.669,70	no stars
-8.600,00	-6.747,98	no stars
-8.700,00	-6.826,26	PHOI AESCS KX-L D7-1	looks unreachable
-8.800,00	-6.904,54	PHOI AESCS FC-D C12-0	--||--
-8.900,00	-6.982,82	no stars
-9.000,00	-7.029,39	PHOI AESCS SP-G C10-0	inside the rift, possibly reachable from the outer arm

 

[Dommarraa]

It is also puzzling that, if Erimus did find something out there early on and was told to keep it secret, that he is also part of the foundation of the DW trip. Could it be that Distant Worlds (Dark Wheel?) is actually part of the galactic story line; thus FD's active involvement in supporting it?

I'll have some of what he is smoking

 

[Dommarraa]

I am trying to get together one of my normal spreadsheets for the Formidine Mystery, one thing I would like is "How far from the RR Line any system is"
Given an X,Y,Z, and the line Z=0.782805 * X + 15.8587 (Y=48.75) are there any mathematicians how might be able to give me the distance of the point from the line ?