FORUM METAGAMING IN PROGRESS

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
DaveB said:
Don't be stupid. A straw man is a pretty poor argument, as somebody with your long history of participating in constructive discussion on here should understand.

What else would you call it when dozens of folks with no posting history crawl out of the woodwork and start weighing in on a fundamental change to the nature of the game? I'd call it metagaming even if I agreed with their premise - indeed, have done in the past. Which you should also remember as I'm pretty sure you were also a participant in some of those previous discussions.
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Dave. Things changed, and they didn't go your way. Sandro's post got attention, as it was *official*. This was *news*.

People de-lurked, not astro-turfed. I'm sorry. It's happened to me a *lot* with this game. I am sorry for your group. It will mean broken interests, and hard feelings. The way you used your private group was fine. But, Frontier has proposed something that will make it hard to keep groups together, if they want to participate in Power Play. I feel a Tremor In The Force about the BGS, as well. PMF's will be broken up over similar conflicts. Squadrons will add to the melee of competing interests. A shrinkage of the *number* of different PG/PMF's may be in the offing, as groups consolidate, to maintain rosters. The desire for a Carrier will be nigh-irresistible.

If things go all-Open (unlikely), a PVP flag will be needed. Instancing will go to perdition. More likely is a flight to solo/PG, from Power Play/BGS, for reasons including performance.

That post from Sandro means all bets are off. The end of year dump will have threads that make this one look like bar napkins. Those threads will have *no* "respect for your time".

Next, Cobra 4's for everyone! :)
 

Santisador

Santisador
Crawling out of the woodwork. I've got a lot of time in the game and have been a member here for a long time. Just because you think people with low post counts aren't "worthy" at best or are actively scheming at worst doesn't make it true. A lot of people read here but rarely post, for a variety of reasons. That doesn't make our voice on game mechanics any less valid.
OP crying about meta gaming is like a new pilot crying "hacker" when SDC blow them up in 2 seconds. Just because it's not going your way doesn't mean it's a conspiracy.
 

Quantis Trap

Quantis Trap
If I could give away my Cobra 4, I would for almost any new game play feature! :D

I wish aspects of my post above could be implemented to enhance any voting accuracy. FD wouldn't waste the time doing it even if they could though.
 
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AP Birdman

Banned
AP Birdman
I just wanted to chime in that I am a new player, this is my third post on this forum and I created a new account specifically so I can show my support and give my feedback for anything and everything PvP. I'd like to know why the OP has a problem with that?
 

Terry Bruge-Hiplo

Terry Bruge-Hiplo
Interesting hypothesis. Maybe presenting it in the form of a question would have gone down a bit better? Now the burden of proof is on you. But like others said, reporting the posters in question to the mods for swift justice would be the way to go.

On the subject of sock puppet accounts here vs multiple game account holders in general, what do you think the ratio might be? More sock puppets or more CMDRs with game multiple accounts, and thus multiple votes, if it comes down to a vote via email? Is that any more or less fair?

That said, it'd be interesting to see what the numbers would come out like if it did go to a vote. Another 70-30?
 

NY09

NY09
Santisador said:
Crawling out of the woodwork. I've got a lot of time in the game and have been a member here for a long time. Just because you think people with low post counts aren't "worthy" at best or are actively scheming at worst doesn't make it true. A lot of people read here but rarely post, for a variety of reasons. That doesn't make our voice on game mechanics any less valid.
OP crying about meta gaming is like a new pilot crying "hacker" when SDC blow them up in 2 seconds. Just because it's not going your way doesn't mean it's a conspiracy.
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Don't sweat the Forumdad FUDthread.
 
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Tarman

Tarman
This whole thread looks like a bunch of forum metagaming and affected attitudes polished for ritual combat from just about everyone.

What's the meat of the topic past all the petty sniping and countersniping?
 

Frenotx

Frenotx
Tarman said:
This whole thread looks like a bunch of forum metagaming and affected attitudes polished for ritual combat from just about everyone.

What's the meat of the topic past all the petty sniping and countersniping?
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If I understand correctly, the meat is, "The playerbase doesn't actually want the discussed changes (open-only powerplay)! It's just a minority of filthy PvP-ers creating tons of throwaway accounts to try to appear more numerous, and sway FDev's opinion!"
Note that I do not subscribe to this believe (and in fact find it rather absurd)- it's just what I interpret the OP to be.
 

Roybe

Roybe
Tarman said:
This whole thread looks like a bunch of forum metagaming and affected attitudes polished for ritual combat from just about everyone.

What's the meat of the topic past all the petty sniping and countersniping?
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I see a lot of people saying 'Me, too!' or 'How dare you?" and not a lot of feedback that is helpful in making a decision...
 

Kaocraft

Kaocraft
DaveB said:
Don't be stupid. A straw man is a pretty poor argument, as somebody with your long history of participating in constructive discussion on here should understand.

What else would you call it when dozens of folks with no posting history crawl out of the woodwork and start weighing in on a fundamental change to the nature of the game? I'd call it metagaming even if I agreed with their premise - indeed, have done in the past. Which you should also remember as I'm pretty sure you were also a participant in some of those previous discussions.
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DUMB.
If the people posting about PowerPlay are all real people expressing their genuine opinions, it doesn't matter whether or not they have a substantial posting history on this particular forum.

Most of them are people on Reddit who forgoe interacting with the official forums because they wish to avoid interacting with people like YOU. They're making a one-time exception to voice their approval for Sandro's proposal because it's just that important to them.

They're all still people who play and care about Elite Dangerous, making their opinions every bit as valid as anyone's else's here. If anything, their lack of posting history lends *more* gravity to the posts they are making right now, because they're going out of their way to ensure that Frontier hears from them.
 

Tarman

Tarman
Frenotx said:
If I understand correctly, the meat is, "The playerbase doesn't actually want the discussed changes (open-only powerplay)! It's just a minority of filthy PvP-ers creating tons of throwaway accounts to try to appear more numerous, and sway FDev's opinion!"
Note that I do not subscribe to this believe (and in fact find it rather absurd)- it's just what I interpret the OP to be.
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So it's a prelim combat outing related to a feature that hasn't been implemented yet, yaaay! Let's all pick sides so we can fite instead of speaking like relatively articulate human beings!

This forum is really reminding me lately of Beta Minecraft forums, but in spaaaaace. We need an 18-page punkins argument next. Well, spacepunkins, I guess.


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*lights a memorial candle for rational discussion
 

CMDR GTR2014

CMDR GTR2014
Vardaugas said:
Troll A: "Hey this developer is having a really bad idea."
Troll B: "Let's go, make sock accounts and vocally support it!"
Troll A: "Great idea!"
Troll C, D, E, F and G: "FOR TEH LULZ!"

Sure that never happened before.
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I suggest you try that yourself, make an alternate account. PLEASE DO, Brett C is a Eagle that love people that do this. I know because i've know plenty of people who already tried that. I'd love to not see your avatar no more.

(yes I'm not dead, but the carebearness in this game pushed me away, this is if this passes i might make a comeback.)
 

DocPossible

DocPossible
Vedmo said:
How many posts per week should someone maintain for the right to voice their opinion on a forum about a major change to a game they play?
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Generally I've found that the quality of a player's posts is inversely proportional to their frequency. It's not a hard and fast rule - your good self (and others ofc) excepted :)
 

hems303

hems303
Mad Mike said:
Maybe it should all be rolled into 1 thread, however there DOES need to be a thread in discussion about it imo, because as i just found out, it is easy to fall foul of the rules in the "golden" thread.
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Yeah I to fell foul almost instantaneously...didn't even get time to redact post when I realised I had contravened by agreeing with another poster, going on to expand with my own input counted for nowt...
 

vanya234

V
DaveB said:
There are a couple of threads talking about PP potentially going open-only. One on here where there is debate happening, one on the focused feedback forum were there should not be debate, only direct feedback to the devs.

That other feedback thread is being flooded with "yes, open only for PP" comments by new forum accounts.

This is a pattern anyone who's played EVE will have seen before. We are being metagamed.

It is obvious that groups who do not normally participate here are whistling up their members to join and post approving comments on the feedback thread.
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Orr maybe people are just excited about a potential change in the game that would renew their interest in the game so they come to the forums to let their opinion be heard
 
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