Frontier - Enough Shoulder Shrugging - Get Tough on Exploits and Exploiters.

[Milady W.]

Proof has been shown that FDev were made aware of it and in fact asked for the Video to be left publicly available.

What we have now is a situation where FDev;

1. Knew about it,
2. Asked for the details to be left available,
3. Did nothing to fix it.

So essentially, FDev not only screwed the people using the engineers legitimately but also helped the cheaters!!

FDev has zero credibility after this.

No more money to this company.

Agree
more one year with the a known running exploit, it s just a facepalm for legit players.
2 options:
- they don't know how to solve it ( my opinion ) and it will stay in this state or they will cut off something.
- they don't want to solve it and they don't care about balancing because they don't care pvp and about have a dynamic persistant world. (just see the 80's style economy game... soooool limited in 2017. Some browser game makes more...)

They don't have the skill to manage mmo. it s a pity. I hope they will change or they will lose a big part of their customer base...

 

[Knightshark]

Proof has been shown that FDev were made aware of it and in fact asked for the Video to be left publicly available.

What we have now is a situation where FDev;

1. Knew about it,
2. Asked for the details to be left available,
3. Did nothing to fix it.

So essentially, FDev not only screwed the people using the engineers legitimately but also helped the cheaters!!

FDev has zero credibility after this.

No more money to this company.

For anyone wondering what the above poster is talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...ngineers_bug_fdev_knew_for_months_with_proof/

Ticket seems to be dated February 2017.

Oh man, i wish this wasn't true. They keep fracking up their own game. It's like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, it contains the best and the worst of gaming. Get rid of Hyde!

 

[DaveB]

@All those who are making something of whether or not FD knew the exploit was possible...

Yes, if FD knew about it and were not working on a fix that's a black eye for them. However, anything short of an official statement from FD detailing the timelines of their knowledge and fix development - which I do not expect to see - makes such speculation nothing more than that, pure speculation.

Whether FD knew about it or not, using it was, and is, still cheating.

FD should, and probably will, apply sanctions to those accounts that cheated. If there's a delay between now and the hole being closed, anyone using it between now and the patch landing should get even MORE severe sanctions now that it's publicly acknowledged as a cheat, not a mechanic exploit.

 

[GODofDUTY83]

Proof has been shown that FDev were made aware of it and in fact asked for the Video to be left publicly available.

What we have now is a situation where FDev;

1. Knew about it,
2. Asked for the details to be left available,
3. Did nothing to fix it.

So essentially, FDev not only screwed the people using the engineers legitimately but also helped the cheaters!!

FDev has zero credibility after this.

No more money to this company.

Yeah ?
Leave the video as is. Could it be that the video was up as private at that time. Im sure it was.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Whether FD knew about it or not, using it was, and is, still cheating.

Which a lot of folks, in a apparent rush to clear their conscience and minimize the stain of mass cheating by certain PvP groups, seem to be forgetting.

"Git gud" right?

 

[Whitehair]

Proof has been shown that FDev were made aware of it and in fact asked for the Video to be left publicly available.

What we have now is a situation where FDev;

1. Knew about it,
2. Asked for the details to be left available,
3. Did nothing to fix it.

So essentially, FDev not only screwed the people using the engineers legitimately but also helped the cheaters!!

FDev has zero credibility after this.

No more money to this company.

Alternatively, FD deliberately left a trap and caught a lot of cheaters

There are always different interpretations of events possible.

 

[Vorthax]

Don't ban anyone permanently. These people like playing the game. I like fighting against them or at least seeing them in the Galaxy.

But do remove the affected modules , and if this can't be done remove all engineered modules from their ships.

This, but additionally block the engineers for them until they return the "stolen" materials.

 

[DaveB]

This, but additionally block the engineers for them until they return the "stolen" materials.

If FD were being really nasty, they'd reset their ENTIRE ACCOUNT to its state before engineers dropped or to their last save reset, whichever was more recent - the only possible exceptions being somebody who hasn't used the cheat since their last reset.

 

[Arvel Yael]

...Stuff...

I might be repping you because I like your post, or simply because I like your ship name .

 

[Stigbob]

Does it matter if FDEV knew ?, surely it's only player knowledge that effects the game.

Whilst we are doing conspiracy theories Mobius membership dropped by over 900 players in the last couple of days, proof of a huge banwave, thargoid abduction or Mobius cleaning house ?.

 

[bitstorm]

Whilst we are doing conspiracy theories Mobius membership dropped by over 900 players in the last couple of days, proof of a huge banwave, thargoid abduction or Mobius cleaning house ?.

Does a shadow ban actually remove group membership?

 

[Stigbob]

A shadow ban won't remove you from groups will it?

I've no idea it would certainly remove your access, the number drop is accurate though. Clearing out inactive accounts is the only possibility I'm taking seriously.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Is it even possible to see what accounts are inactive in ED? I run a small PG for when i am not in mobius for just my meat suit friends and i have never noticed such PG management tools

 

[Jaiotu]

Before you can actually start to "get tough" on exploiters you have to tell people what the exploits actually are.

Owning more then one account and using the second account in multicrew to give yourself an extra pip ... is it an exploit or legitimate gameplay?

Stacking massacre missions at 17 Draconis. Exploit or legit?

January 2015: A server glitch created instant billionaires. Frontier said it was legitimate and let these players keep the credits: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=92883

The latest "exploit" let players take advantage of G5 engineering rolls at the cost of G1 materials. It was reported as a bug. Here's a link to screenies of the bug report: http://imgur.com/a/eIVbr

Know what's particularly missing from Frontier's response? Any admission that this is, in fact, an exploit and not legitimate gameplay. Just a "we're looking into it". Frontier should have come down HARD against this particular "feature" immediately. Even if they couldn't fix it at the time they should have said the abusing this loophole would not be tolerated. They could have left out a few screenshots from the Elite: Dangerous newsletter and made a public announcement.

 

[Jaiotu]

Is it even possible to see what accounts are inactive in ED? I run a small PG for when i am not in mobius for just my meat suit friends and i have never noticed such PG management tools

I think Frontier gave Mobius some advanced group management tools after they were "invaded" by a group that wasn't following Mobius' group ethos, didn't they?

 

[Starlanced]

IMHO these players accounts should be deleted, a no tollerance policy would stop the problem. Also if any of these people have there names on explored systems removed, especially using a fsd roll preformed using such exploits.

 

[Fleischdesigner]

To be clear from the offset, I am not going to list the rather large amount of exploits available in Elite Dangerous, we all know what/where they are, we all know there are countless exploit 'tutorials' on YouTube and the like and we all know they exist.

The following is taken from the SWTOR forums, now, don't get me wrong EA/Bioware has done a lot wrong with SWTOR, it is not half the game it should/could have been and is almost definitely on a downward trend in terms of its direction of travel and player numbers. One thing EA/Bioware have done reasonably well though over the years is dealing with exploits - when they have appeared - and those using them, the following is quoted from the SWTOR forums back in November last year, it is by no means unique in EA/Bioware's approach :-



Source :- http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=902135

There have been many, many posts in the past from developers and from those who have exploited and faced subsequent action on the SWTOR forums. Sure, occasionally the ban/rollback hammer has been a little heavy handed from EA/Bioware, but, and it's a big but, everyone knows where they stand should they use, continue to use or abuse exploits in the game. Frontier, many, many horses have already bolted with regards to exploits, I get that, but it is never too late to make a stand, to say 'enough is enough'. Frontier, start rolling back serial exploiters, Frontier, start clamping down on those promoting said exploits, do not be afraid to use the ban hammer either when it is appropriate. Frontier, clean up your game, clean up the image of the game and regain the high ground that you have conceded all too easily.

I concider exploitable game mechanics as buggy and the devs are in charge to solve those issues, not the players!
To name users of buggy game mechanics exploiters and to treat them like terrorists doesn't debug the game code!
They are gamers of all ages, genders, colors, nations, mind sets and so on.
I estimate you can ban 50% (to name a number, I mean a lot!) of them to get an "exploit free" game but how well is the game financial doing then?
How much new content would we receive then? Who has won then? You who calls other players exploiters? Would you be happy then?

There are bugs that do temporarily bad things for an individual player and some do "good". I suggest the devs care about the bad ones first.
Sometimes a "good" one can recover you from a bad bug.
Sure, you could say "call the support team, they'll recover your stuff", but come on! How often do you call the system admin if Windows suggests to do so?
We tend to solve issues ourselfs (and humans on the receiving end are hating tickt systems btw).
It's a game and I want to play and not to do bug related meta-stuff except from googeling if it is already a known issue.

Cheers