Frontier - Enough Shoulder Shrugging - Get Tough on Exploits and Exploiters.

Now that we're at it, let's ban everyone who abused the robigo rep glitch. Oh, let's also ban everyone who did the quince "scan a single data point/beacon to complete all missions". Oh, ban people who run premium ammo with the plasma slug mod. Oh, don't forget to ban people who suicide to wash away a bounty, ban people who used premium ammo when it was infinite. May aswell ban people who used relogging and used ammo-based weapons during the unlimited ammo era. Oh, remember when powerplay NPCs were static and you could farm merits automatically by installing turrets and going AFK for an hour? Ban these people aswell. Oh, bugged heat weapons - ban too. Remember skimmer dumbfiring & relogging? Also ban. Don't forget to ban all the combat loggers too. You get where I'm heading with this?


Or maybe, just maybe, stop with the rubbish grind requirements and trashy RNG. No, it does not add immersion. It doesn't add gameplay either.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. How about FD ban the engineer exploiters AND fix the RNG. Those of us who are left would have a better game because of both.
 
Don't ban. We don't need even less people playing the game. Instead, a gentle total wipe of the save should suffice - back to harmless unranked sidewinder.
 
Don't ban. We don't need even less people playing the game. Instead, a gentle total wipe of the save should suffice - back to harmless unranked sidewinder.

how fast do you think those people will come back? with quince exploit I take 1 week and they already have combat capable ships.
 
Im not helping anything. This rumour is out there and already taking on a life of its own.

Among the stupids yes.

Please wait for something substantial before you go off on one.

People spread rumours literally for the fun of trolling.
 
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IF they do not respond to this amnesty and they are caught... then not only does the above happen but more too.... possibly not least putting them at -5 on the engineer ranks, having all ENG inventory confiscated and anything else they wish to add.

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Hmm you know what, the more I think about it the more I think a PERMANENT, non-negotiable shadow ban is the right solution, bear with me...

I mean it's what Blizzard do, it's what Valve do, and it's what other companies with much more experience (MMORPG "wisdom") with online gaming than Frontier do.

See Frontier really need to speak loudly and clearly on this.

Yes it seems harsh but just look at the reality of it, if your CMDR is perma-shadow banned, a player can just take the hit and get another account. That's it, move past it and it doesn't have to be a big deal for a player does it, lesson learned, message sent to the playerbase that it won't be tolerated and all's good.

On one hand it's harsh in the right way that it sends a clear message, but the reality is for a player if they can take it on the chin, it's not actually that big a deal to nab a new account and Draconis your way back is it.

So for me this is what I think I'd like to see for players using this exploit :

- ALL engineer mods removed
- Player is permanently shadow banned, non-negotiable, non-revertible, just do it
 
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How does someone exploiting eng mods effect solo players ?
They are the same lvl of exploit.

You are constantly screaming about these money exploits that have ZERO impact on you or anyone else in the game, and yet you fail to see the HUGE amount of damage that has already been done to hundreds of players through this Engineer exploit?

WOW!

Remind me to never bother trying to have an intelligent discussion with you! ;)
 
Don't ban. We don't need even less people playing the game. Instead, a gentle total wipe of the save should suffice - back to harmless unranked sidewinder.

I would venture a guess that for the majority of these lazy, skill challenged cheaters, that would tantamount to a perma-ban anyway. They couldn't handle ranking and upgrading legitimately the first time. What makes you think they would even consider it a second time?

Totally fine with me. Just as long as they are GONE from Open on a permanent basis, you won't get any arguments from me. :)
 
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Now that we're at it, let's ban everyone who abused the robigo rep glitch. Oh, let's also ban everyone who did the quince "scan a single data point/beacon to complete all missions". Oh, ban people who run premium ammo with the plasma slug mod. Oh, don't forget to ban people who suicide to wash away a bounty, ban people who used premium ammo when it was infinite. May aswell ban people who used relogging and used ammo-based weapons during the unlimited ammo era. Oh, remember when powerplay NPCs were static and you could farm merits automatically by installing turrets and going AFK for an hour? Ban these people aswell. Oh, bugged heat weapons - ban too. Remember skimmer dumbfiring & relogging? Also ban. Don't forget to ban all the combat loggers too. You get where I'm heading with this?


Or maybe, just maybe, stop with the rubbish grind requirements and trashy RNG. No, it does not add immersion. It doesn't add gameplay either.


APPLES & ORANGES!

Learn to appreciate the difference.
 
APPLES & ORANGES!

Learn to appreciate the difference.

You are telling that to a community who groups all games involving space ships into the same genre. Everything from Elite, Everspace the rouge-like, to NMS the sci-fi survival game, are all comparable, despite not having many comparisons.
 
Now that we're at it, let's ban everyone who abused the robigo rep glitch. Oh, let's also ban everyone who did the quince "scan a single data point/beacon to complete all missions". Oh, ban people who run premium ammo with the plasma slug mod. Oh, don't forget to ban people who suicide to wash away a bounty, ban people who used premium ammo when it was infinite. May aswell ban people who used relogging and used ammo-based weapons during the unlimited ammo era. Oh, remember when powerplay NPCs were static and you could farm merits automatically by installing turrets and going AFK for an hour? Ban these people aswell. Oh, bugged heat weapons - ban too. Remember skimmer dumbfiring & relogging? Also ban. Don't forget to ban all the combat loggers too. You get where I'm heading with this?


Or maybe, just maybe, stop with the rubbish grind requirements and trashy RNG. No, it does not add immersion. It doesn't add gameplay either.

I think EDs problem is that its gameplay has odd gates that don't make sense. For example, why can't I buy panite? Marco Qwent?

If FD reorganised how the game is gated and made everything available if you have the time or the money then I think it would go a long way to change things. I'd love a materials broker who deals in scrap, a bit like Watto in Star Wars, or a data broker who can sell you cracked firmware, but for a high price: these would give players options to progress and not dump them in RNG hell. It might be these brokers act like factions and you need to get allied with them for them to help you, creating ethical dilemmas.
 
No one needs to be banned. As long as all ill gotten gains are removed from the game, it's fine.
Fixing the game is important, punishment is not.

For me punishment is important, otherwise when the next exploit occurs more people will go in for it.

I would like to see a perma-shadow ban, absolutely non-revertible.

It sends the right message and look let's be honest, it's not really a big deal for a player to start a clean slate, grab a new account and Quince their way back to where they were.

It's the course of action that companies with much more online gaming experience that Frontier choose. (Valve, Blizzard)
 
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I would venture a guess that for the majority of these lazy, skill challenged cheaters, that would tantamount to a perma-ban anyway. They couldn't handle ranking and upgrading legitimately the first time. What makes you think they would even consider it a second time?

Totally fine with me. Just as long as they are GONE from Open on a permanent basis, you won't get any arguments from me. :)

And we have yet another reason to abandon Open... Soon Open will be even more dead than CQC.
 
There is so much hyperbolic STUPID here it's unbelievable.

This engineer bug is more like those credit bugs than it is like the situation at Quince. At a minimum, those who used it can expect to lose the mods they got that way. Since in order to benefit from it, it takes specific action to DELIBERATELY exploit it, it's a much more egregious cheat, and should indeed attract heavy sanctions. There's absolutely no comparison to the lame but harmless mission stackers.

Agreed!

I am amazed at how many people in this thread actually believe that Quince is on the same level as this! It boggles the mind to observe that level of complete and utter cluelessness.
 
Now that we're at it, let's ban everyone who abused the robigo rep glitch. Oh, let's also ban everyone who did the quince "scan a single data point/beacon to complete all missions". Oh, ban people who run premium ammo with the plasma slug mod. Oh, don't forget to ban people who suicide to wash away a bounty, ban people who used premium ammo when it was infinite. May aswell ban people who used relogging and used ammo-based weapons during the unlimited ammo era. Oh, remember when powerplay NPCs were static and you could farm merits automatically by installing turrets and going AFK for an hour? Ban these people aswell. Oh, bugged heat weapons - ban too. Remember skimmer dumbfiring & relogging? Also ban. Don't forget to ban all the combat loggers too. You get where I'm heading with this?.

A medal for the best use of the 'slippery slope' fallacy on the forum today? (Not that I'm disagreeing with at least 50% of your post. Anyone who's been near Sothis, Ceos, Robigo, Aditi, 17 Draconis and Quince need their wrists slapped. ;) )
 
And we have yet another reason to abandon Open... Soon Open will be even more dead than CQC.

Ever stop to consider that if Frontier were to "Clean House" and remove all of these cheaters from OPEN and PvP you might actually see an INCREASE in OPEN players?

I for one would definitely consider it if I were assured that I would never again be forced to do battle with a "Cheat Ship" that never takes damage and can do a one shot kill to a Grade 5 Corvette. ;)

Until then, I will stick to Solo and my many Private Groups thank you ver much.
 
I for one would definitely consider it if I were assured that I would never again be forced to do battle with a "Cheat Ship" that never takes damage and can do a one shot kill to a Grade 5 Corvette. ;)

Until then, I will stick to Solo and my many Private Groups thank you ver much.

Frontier cannot guarantee that, but they guarantee they will take serious action against offenders, such that it's just not worth it.

When you stand back and think about it, it's all looking a bit odd.

The thought all this time, those people and groups reknowned for killing players in open, may have been using exploits and cheats to do it.
 
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For me punishment is important, otherwise when the next exploit occurs more people will go in for it.

I would like to see a perma-shadow ban, absolutely non-revertible.

It sends the right message and look let's be honest, it's not really a big deal for a player to start a clean slate, grab a new account and Quince their way back to where they were.

It's the course of action that companies with much more online gaming experience that Frontier choose. (Valve, Blizzard)

I like in game stuff better. Losing all cheat mods and having to pay back all the G5 materials they owe the engineers is suitable.
 
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