So if FD don't need more testers.....?
Frontier, if you need more beta testers then make beta free
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Regardless of that, the issue is how the email was worded and sent. newsletter@frontier.net is the address we get the weekly newsletter from. It's had mention of the paid beta before within it's content. No problem as it comes with lots of other actual news too but this particular email arrived from the same account and is nothing more than a blatant advert.
Did nobody at Frontier even think "Hey, we have unlimited email address, why don't we be honest with our customers and set up a store@frontier.net email address? That way when we want to advertise new stuff in the store we can send the CMDR's an email about it that can be un-subbed from if they don't want it. This way when we send them the newsletter we can also put in a reminder about the new stuff but in a way so it's not seen as a cash crab?"
Instead the Newsletter for me at least will be something I read if I can be bothered to look it up - so their marketing now has no way to get their information to me. I am one of those who has no problem buying items form the store no matter how pointless they may seem to some. Fantastic own goal Frontier.
I diddnt surscibe for junk marketing I surscibed to the news letter, if the news letter has adverts then so be it.
This wasnt a news letter, it was a very miss leading shabby atempet at a money grab.
In answer to what I feel is acceptable marketing, none of it hate all spam marketing, pretty sure there isnt a box to chick about not getting marketing crap from FD when I surscibed to the news letter, if there was I would have clicked it, anyway FD is now filtered as spam so job done my end.
Sole Hunter
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asking players to buy in a beta for 5$ and asking in return feedback lol.
frontier marketing team is a joke.
frontier marketing team is a joke.
SeaFireliv said:
I assume this was aimed at me as yes, I didn't see it. I imagine I blocked you precisely for the self righteous, condescending tone of your posts - like this one.
amigacooke said:
That's the other reason I block. I don't need to see the same replies, from the same, people, trying desperately to derail a legitimate concern about the game, with passive-aggressive comments designed to try and invalidate the post, rather than accept what the poster is trying to say, and then respond with a suitable counter-argument.
I didn't know you could block people in these forums. What happens when you do? Are they unable to comment on your posts, or do you stop seeing their replies, or...?
Sulpiryd
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Past 10 years developers was paying betatesters, now people are morons and paying developers to do it... That's why games was better in the past and devs was not lazy with adding great content. Today they're adding garbage content for item shop and selling beta for free feedback. It's pure exploitation of suckers.
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There's also the issue of never having to think you're finished making the game, because you can always patch it later. You never have to say it's "good enough", at some point you just stop. But I digress.
+1 yeah the good ol' times ;-)
but as long as people have
a) too much money on their hand b) don't care thinking about it c) they're thinking they're something special because they paid for that
it won't change.
Sometimes you have to slap people with the simple ice cold truth- And this does it.
I have watched the system brainwash gamers in gaming more and more and shake my head sadly. Once gamers were smart enough to say "No way!" Now they say, "How can you divest me of my cash, please?"
Braben knows it, he`s old enough.
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Not quite the truth, because the people who broke the mold were those who agreed to beta test for free. Why would anyone do that when they could have been paid?
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I'm a beta tester because I was one of the Kickstarter backers. I was a Kickstarter because I loved the old game. I'm still loving the new game, and I'm hoping that being a beta tester will help to get it there sooner. Sure, it has not all been to my taste, and some of the new features I'm not bothered about, so I ignore them. Haven't had a chance to try it yet but definitely want my avatar to raise a smile, and later on if I can buy him a peaked cap I might consider it, why not? It's all in a good cause
I'd say the community of ED is specially guilty of this.
You could give anyone beta access but the majority wouldn't either test it properly or wouldn't report back issues they have.
By allowing players to pay for the beta you are more likely to to get those said players doing a much better testing job and feeding back to Frontier.
By allowing players to pay for the beta you are more likely to to get those said players doing a much better testing job and feeding back to Frontier.
You don't see their initial posts, but you do see quoted posts unfortunately.
Up until this point, it seems the majority of Beta testers are the ones that backed the game in the first place (hence, don't pay for it, because they pledged whatever amount during the kick-starter).
1) I bet you all that more than half of those that pledged to kick-starter have never touched any Beta of the game.
2) I also bet more than half of the original kick-starters are casuals, and may not have touched Elite since before Horizons or since Engineers.
3) I also bet more than half of those kick-starters wouldn't pay to access the Beta if they didn't already receive it for free because of kick-starter.
True, if people pay to access it they are more than likely to provide testing and feedback - however, one person isn't as good as ten people who refuse to buy it in the first place and can provide ten times the amount of feedback.
Vanilla was riddled with problems.
2.0 was riddled with problems
2.1 was riddled with problems.
2.2 was riddled with problems.
2.3 is probably going to be riddled with problems.
And you all want the truth as to why that is?
Because of the lack of Beta testers; The lack of quality from that small pool of testers; The lack of variations of different PC configurations; The lack of operating systems (32bit/64bit); User error.
They may have thousands of registered Beta testers, but I bet only a fraction have bothered to provide them (Frontier) any decent feedback and any decent evidence to help them speed up the process. Then there is the lack of different PC's - all of which will have different CPUs, RAM, GPUs, different threads, different clocks, MHz values, Driver problems - what operating system is being used - the list is massive in its scope.
Until they drop this pathetic cash grab, Frontier will continue to get sub-par beta feedback to fix the bugs. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of highly skilled computer buffs out there that play this game - but they will NOT buy into something so shameful as to pay for the "privilege" to beta test in their own free time.
This just comes down to the old saying; Because it is the principle of the matter.
Interesting but not surprising responses from mods in here.
They say "this comes up every beta...we just ignore it" which says to everyone "we don't care about the negative image this causes".
So my question is, does Frontier really need the money by charging people to help them squash bugs? If they need money that badly, all of us are in trouble. If they don't need it, then this is simple greed without empathy.
Second question is, do people not realize what ED actually is?
This is a glorified flight simulator with some tacked on activites. You can equate this to a platform like Microsoft Flight Simulator, where the entire purpose is flying from point A to point B in whatever manor you choose.
It makes total sense people are ticked at getting an email asking for MORE money after these players already spent $80 for the base game, and another $40 for Horizons which was essentially a paid scenery addon but all it delivered was the same rocky moon in various colors and a lottery style module upgrade system.
So for $120 people have a flight simulator that is feature poor, and folks wonder why a request for more money just to test additional much-needed content riles players up?
If I was using a conventional flight sim and a company said "you pay us money to help test this European scenery" I would tell them to finish it and then I'll purchase it.
Call me crazy but I'm a firm believer in giving someone money for a finished product that is out of testing. I understand some companies need kickstarters and use the paid early-access cash to fund the development, but let's get real....does Frontier really have to do this?
I think the answer is no. They don't have to, but they are anyway because people will buy it and they know it. If you guys want to buy into that, more power to you and that's totally your call, but stop stomping on players that call out this and raise valid concerns over it.
They say "this comes up every beta...we just ignore it" which says to everyone "we don't care about the negative image this causes".
So my question is, does Frontier really need the money by charging people to help them squash bugs? If they need money that badly, all of us are in trouble. If they don't need it, then this is simple greed without empathy.
Second question is, do people not realize what ED actually is?
This is a glorified flight simulator with some tacked on activites. You can equate this to a platform like Microsoft Flight Simulator, where the entire purpose is flying from point A to point B in whatever manor you choose.
It makes total sense people are ticked at getting an email asking for MORE money after these players already spent $80 for the base game, and another $40 for Horizons which was essentially a paid scenery addon but all it delivered was the same rocky moon in various colors and a lottery style module upgrade system.
So for $120 people have a flight simulator that is feature poor, and folks wonder why a request for more money just to test additional much-needed content riles players up?
If I was using a conventional flight sim and a company said "you pay us money to help test this European scenery" I would tell them to finish it and then I'll purchase it.
Call me crazy but I'm a firm believer in giving someone money for a finished product that is out of testing. I understand some companies need kickstarters and use the paid early-access cash to fund the development, but let's get real....does Frontier really have to do this?
I think the answer is no. They don't have to, but they are anyway because people will buy it and they know it. If you guys want to buy into that, more power to you and that's totally your call, but stop stomping on players that call out this and raise valid concerns over it.
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i agree except that part that this is flight simulator, and comparing it with Microsoft flight simulator is funny, elite has good FM for a game but it is far from simulator, more like very soft simulation.
to be simulator it would need much deeper ship managment and FM......this is pure game with soft .sim traces (galaxy size).
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Make the beta free now, would be unfair for all the people who have paid before
They could be offered refunds, if there is a serious need for new testers.
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