Frontier, if you need more beta testers then make beta free

[ErichZann]

Registered beta testers and people actually beta testing is another matter entirely - so no, that wasn't a contradictory sentence, but nice to know you got overly defensive and felt you had to quote and argue each and every point when you could have just as easily summed it up.

How many of those 9,700+ beta posts are duplicates of the same problem/bug being found by the majority because it is staring them right in the face? Most of them.

What Frontier are lacking is a wider audience and fresh testers with different computer builds hitting the mix; and people with experience at beta testing games (or are serious in doing so), not people who pay to play bugged content early just for something to do (and not report squat), or people who have access but do nothing with it - as far as they are concerned, they don't care about beta testing despite being registered for it because they signed up for kick-starter, and it just so happened to be part of the offer.

Point is, you must try to break the game to find the bugs - not just jump in, play it a bit, report the blindingly obvious stuff that isn't working, then rub your hands thinking "job done".

Numbers mean very little - it is the quality of the feedback, and you don't get that from casuals, people who have access but know nothing about computers, etc..

Though there are so many long standing known bugs in the game, I am not sure finding more bugs helps if FDev clearly doesn't have the resources to patch them anyway...

 

[denisbloodnok]

That's almost exactly what I said in my OP.

No, it's not. You keep drawing the inference that their main desire is for beta testers. That doesn't make sense; clearly their main desire is for money.

If they want more money don't bother begging for it via marketing email that shills their own beta process.

What this says, the hyperbole removed, is that if they want more money they shouldn't try and sell things. Er?

 

[Ian Phillips]

I don't think that's entirely fair. "Always the same argument." So this means that people ALWAYS criticise FD's marketing approach towards their Beta rather than the Beta itself?

Yes. What you say in this sentence is exactly what happens.

And this is the second time for this beta alone.

 

[Hooplah]

Seventeen pages, 243 replies and the OP is still whining about the promotion sent via e-mail? Haven't you clearly made your point by now? Cannot stand anyone who disagrees so keep on replying? I received it and it simply informs the player of the opportunity to purchase 2.3 Beta. No big deal worth wasting this much space on the Forum with a never ending defense of something so trivial. Might as well cry about all the junk mail promotions that clutter up my mailbox by the driveway or the 100 junk emails per day in my regular e-mail accounts. Not worth the time to read them...just like this thread.

 

[CMDR DarkxXPhoenixXx]

Wait. People are angry about paid beta tests, where the access was 4 bucks for almost 2 years? I just see it as as way to support frontier. Then again I'm a bit of a nut who has 2 copies, paints on both platforms, and bought Planet coaster just to support Elite .

 

[Kosmetas]

Wait. People are angry about paid beta tests, where the access was 4 bucks for almost 2 years? I just see it as as way to support frontier. Then again I'm a bit of a nut who has 2 copies, paints on both platforms, and bought Planet coaster just to support Elite .

You sir are the problem! Wait a minute, so they didn't force you to buy what they were selling?? You had a choice and bought many items from them.... mind blown!!

 

[Doolittle]

Seems a little backward and devious, but the necessity of it is obvious. Unlike other unreleased overhyped games you could pre-order but couldn't play until it was too late (NMS), you can actually play ED betas. The quality of such a title needs funding. Could do without all the niknak paint jobs and give a means to make our own, but the beta release charge is perfectly sane. Don't you wish you could have beta tested NMS? There's a reason it wasn't on a kickstart or sold as an early release, those devs knew they had nothing to show for all the hype, except all the phony gameplay vids.

 

[Martian Successor]

No, it's not. You keep drawing the inference that their main desire is for beta testers. That doesn't make sense; clearly their main desire is for money.

You seem to be arguing over the minutiae of semantics for some reason. I know FD want money. Using their beta in order to shill for that money is the thing I take issue with aka the clumsiness of their marketing. My point has already been made previously in the thread so I'll leave it at that.

What this says, the hyperbole removed, is that if they want more money they shouldn't try and sell things. Er?

Not hyperbole, just calling it what it is. They don't impress me by trying to market their own beta at me. You may disagree. To each their own.

Yes. What you say in this sentence is exactly what happens.

And this is the second time for this beta alone.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. Marketing haven't been doing FD's image any favours over the years/months and they see no reason to take criticism towards their marketing department seriously. Understood.

Seventeen pages, 243 replies and the OP is still whining about the promotion sent via e-mail? Haven't you clearly made your point by now? Cannot stand anyone who disagrees so keep on replying? I received it and it simply informs the player of the opportunity to purchase 2.3 Beta. No big deal worth wasting this much space on the Forum with a never ending defense of something so trivial. Might as well cry about all the junk mail promotions that clutter up my mailbox by the driveway or the 100 junk emails per day in my regular e-mail accounts. Not worth the time to read them...just like this thread.

Wow Hooplah. What a negative post. You'd think I spat in your cereal or something. At this point I'm simply replying to 2 posts because I saw this thread on the top page again. I'm hardly going around replying to any and every post that disagrees with me. Am I not allowed to engage people who challenge my statements?

Why you felt the need to come back and be whiny and insulting is beyond me especially since you feel this thread is not worth your time to read. Interesting logic there. For someone who likes to preach about negativity on the forum you might want to lead by example. You made a totally unecessary and petty post.

 

[SaliVader]

Seems a little backward and devious, but the necessity of it is obvious. Unlike other unreleased overhyped games you could pre-order but couldn't play until it was too late (NMS), you can actually play ED betas. The quality of such a title needs funding. Could do without all the niknak paint jobs and give a means to make our own, but the beta release charge is perfectly sane. Don't you wish you could have beta tested NMS? There's a reason it wasn't on a kickstart or sold as an early release, those devs knew they had nothing to show for all the hype, except all the phony gameplay vids.

Well that's not a very good argument. I've played many betas for free, including SW Battlefront, BF One, For Honor, Ghost Recon Wildlands, BF Hardline... Although at this point EA's and Ubi's betas are more like a big marketing campaign and a server stress test rather than an actual, old fashioned beta to find bugs and glitches. With that said, many people feel like betas in ED are more of an early access thing than an actual beta, so yeah...

I've also been invited to the alpha of Worlds Adrift. Yeah, for free. It's amazing what you can find in this little blue marble of ours, isn't it?


To the OP: Give up. Getting your point into these people's skulls is like trying to cut wood with a butterknife.

 

[amigacooke]

There a vicious rumour going around that you don't have to spend a penny on the beta, and still end up with the same content as those who have.

Who'd be daft enough to believe that!

 

[GG7]

You sir are the problem! Wait a minute, so they didn't force you to buy what they were selling?? You had a choice and bought many items from them.... mind blown!!

Yeah... Its called SUPPORTING a Developer who is making games you like, and play the crap out of!

Mind Blown?

Thank god the freeloaders are outnumbered by those who understand that Frontier relies on ALL revenue streams to keep the lights on.

Sheesh!

The idiocy in this thread is what is Mind Blowing!

 

[Martian Successor]

Mods please close this thread. The point has been made. Maturity levels are unfortunately dropping.

 

[denisbloodnok]

You seem to be arguing over the minutiae of semantics for some reason.

If you think that's what's going on you're not paying attention; the point is that you keep going "They're charging for the beta, they must want beta testers", when in fact the conclusion any reasonable person would draw is that they want money.

Using their beta in order to shill for that money is the thing I take issue with aka the clumsiness of their marketing.

Leaving aside "shill", essentially your complaint now is that their marketing is so clumsy that a) FD are selling something and b) you know it is available for sale. Naively one might suppose that is much of the conventional role of marketing.

They don't impress me by trying to market their own beta at me. You may disagree.

I certainly wouldn't disagree about what impresses you. That is your own department. However, the point is that when you write "If they want more money don't bother begging for it via marketing email" you are essentially complaining that someone who wants money is asking you to give them money. This seems to me to be an unremarkable thing to do.

 

[Jenner]

Mods please close this thread. The point has been made. Maturity levels are unfortunately dropping.

Closed.