Such is life, if you knew there was an area with no virtually policing and murderers running wild, would you go there?
Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.
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Such is life, if you knew there was an area with no virtually policing and murderers running wild, would you go there?
Can we also have a Griefer/Clogger mega thread? Mr Anders is correct that it is generally the same 2 camps of people with the same arguments.
Who else posts here?
Robert Maynard
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If some PvPers did not go out of their way to affect other players (arguably unfairly as the asymmetry possible in terms of ship capability is massive) then there'd likely be fewer calls for those PvPers to face enhanced consequences.
.... plus the fact that the consequences for an attacker (6,000 Cr. "murder" bounty") pale into insignificance compared to a ship rebuy + cargo / exploration data / etc. in the multi-million range. That's hardly "fair" - and that's the situation at the moment.
Fairness in terms of unavoidable financial penalties of similar magnitude for the attacker (as they are for the target) would be a start....
Which is not as valid as your's amirite
Difference being, I don't tell everyone else to agree with my opinion or they're wrong
I don't disagree , the biggest problem overall is that there is no reason to attack players in the open, that's why it seems mindless when people do.
Give more reasons to PVP + C&P , and work upwards from there
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Difference being, I don't tell everyone else to agree with my opinion or they're wrong
Ironicly pushing out entire group of players out of your game because you disagree with their choices is exactly that
Even worse, Mobius is a physical manifestation of that
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1) Allow console players and PC players to see each other and interact.
2) Copy the BGS as-is, use 1 for Open, use the other for Safe Space. Only two modes. Both have socialization. No need for solo unless someone follows you around griefing you with annoying comments.
3) Lock a commander to a mode. Give us each another commander (if you want, use both in your preferred mode).
They get what they want (socialization with guaranteed "everyone's my friend") and I get what I want (no PvP flags, no affecting the BGS without consequence). I don't want a solo player to be held hostage in open just to socialize.
If this becomes like STO with invincible ghosts (unless they flick a vulnerability switch or stand in the right place) I'll vomit...then I'll vomit
2) Copy the BGS as-is, use 1 for Open, use the other for Safe Space. Only two modes. Both have socialization. No need for solo unless someone follows you around griefing you with annoying comments.
3) Lock a commander to a mode. Give us each another commander (if you want, use both in your preferred mode).
They get what they want (socialization with guaranteed "everyone's my friend") and I get what I want (no PvP flags, no affecting the BGS without consequence). I don't want a solo player to be held hostage in open just to socialize.
If this becomes like STO with invincible ghosts (unless they flick a vulnerability switch or stand in the right place) I'll vomit...then I'll vomit
But I'm not stopping you from engaging in PVP with those that want it, or enjoy it, while many PVPers would force everyone to play their way, and often imply that those that do not want to engage in hardcore PVP antics as inferior gamers that should aspire to play the game differently.
Hardcore PVP is a minority in this game, The fact that the Mobius group has just hit max capacity again should be an indicator of where the majority of players interests are. But there are also those players that relish the enjoyment of playing in Open, either as PVPers, or for the thrill of the danger of potential PVP interdictions.
Those that don't want to play that game are in no way saying that those that do can't.
Robert Maynard
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Indeed it does, on occasion, seem mindless - which is probably why players adversely affected by it complain.
If the "more reasons to PvP" can be designed in such a way as to ensure that those who eschew PvP are not affected by it - fantastic - if not - not so much....
C&P(PvP) needs to be fixed regardless of whether reasons for PvP are added (or not as the case may be), in my opinion - as the P at the moment is almost entirely on the destroyed target at the moment as, unlike bounties, the rebuy screen is unavoidable.
Wishing to play without PvP players is quite a natural thing for PvE players to desire - and many other games accommodate that with game-provided PvE modes / servers. This game didn't so the players took it upon themselves to make up for that lack.
The Mobius Private Groups are merely the largest that we know about - I expect that there are many, many more PvE Private Groups.
Different Open groups (modes) where the rules can be different to accommodate different play-styles have been a possibility since the earliest days of the Kickstarter - here's a relevant extract from the FAQ posted here on the forums at the start:
Note the last paragraph....
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I hate to break it to you but this beautiful Open world you love so much came pre-disected (not getting into the whole instancing mess here) all we're trying to do is stitch some of the bits back together again by consolidating the PvEers in one mode.
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I was, at first, totally against it but since I learned FD originally marketed the game as having an offline function I can throw my support behind this idea. I have one idea, since players in open do have more risks with player pirates, and pos griefers, perhaps the rewards should be slightly higher as an incentive to play in open? It seems to me people who choose to run through the mine field in a transporter at a CG in open where player pirates are common, and griefers occasionally show up, might should get a little more for taking the risk? Maybe 10%?
Or maybe Solo players should get 25% bonus, because they can't have wingmates to cover their backs?
The issue here it's easy to escape from an npc 90% of the time without even taking one hit. A player is not very easy, especially in a loaded transporter so it's indisputable that open is a lot more risky than solo.
This has been discussed so many times in the megathreads, that I consider your "bright idea" to be such an extreme case of beating a dead horse, that it is just trolling. Apologies if you sincerely think the bonus to open players to be a good idea.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/90583-The-Solo-vs-Open-vs-Groups-Thread-See-new-thread
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...read-Part-the-Second-Now-With-Added-Platforms
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/169599-The-Solo-vs-Open-vs-Groups-Thread-Mk-III
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...en-v-Solo-v-Groups-thread-IV-Hotel-California
I don't understand the hostility to this suggestion. Iv not read those posts. I just gave my opinion, if you don't like it that's totally fine. I do not work for FD so my opinion really wont effect the game at all, you could be a little more respectful though.
Yes I could, apologies.
Rehashing the same thing over and over again and again just causes a bit frustration some times...
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Robert Maynard
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How much of Open is more risky than Solo?
No problem man. As I said in my original post. I would give my support for pve mode if FD asked for feedback. Also, it might be a good idea to remove the player cap from möbius.
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Rehashing the same thing over and over again and again just causes a bit frustration some times...
I didn't realize it had came up so much before, apologies.