Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.

[frostypaw]

Yea, I've sent those reports before. Guess what? No effect. Something tells me you have minimal experience in Open in general.

Well, actually I currently work for the state government, while being a student, so I guess that makes me a government agent if you want me to brag.

Sure you do LOL that's hilarious, or explains a lot about the world. Though I suppose the folk laundering clothes for waste collectors work for state government in some jurisdictions so it is possible.

But now you have an amazing ability to determine how much time I've spent in Open based on whether or not you got a reply from a complaint about antisocial behaviour?

GOOD LORD.

And anyone takes this seriously?!?! It's just nonsense and dress up.

 

[excalibus]

It shows the essential lack of effort PvEers are willing to put into the game when a lot of them complain about the self imposed workload Mobius puts himself through and yet no one thinks to start another massive pve group....

Rather, they'd like the game to do everything for them, while not being prepared to learn essential game systems and tactics. This isn't 'git gud' it's more of a heartfelt l2p and get off your butt.

umm as to your first sentence, indeed, that is possible and actually does happen - there are more PVE groups than just Mobius. Mobius just happens to be the largest, in part due to the 'advertising campaign' that gets played out across the forums every time a PVE or PVP discussion comes up, from both sides. so really when a PVP player tells me on the forum if I don't like open I should just go to solo or Mobius, what am I going to do?? PVP players are just as much to be held accountable for the influx of players that go to Mobius due to such posts as exampled, and we both have been on the forums long enough to know that the example I gave is not a misrepresentation of fact... sure some say group, some say PG and some say Mobius...

As to your last sentece, oh good god do you seriously think telling someone L2P is NOT the same as git gud? Seriously??? We do know how to play, in face some of us have learned the essential game systems front to back for the most part, and some of us are good at playing PVE... so what other kinds of l2p or git gud is there for PVE players... gitovayourself should be a new catch phrase I think for PVE players to say to PVP players... Somehow I don't think it will catch on though...

I do not know any (that I have spoken with here on the forums, in private chat, or met in game) PVE players that want everything done for them, handed to them etc... I honestly think a signigicant number of PVE players mostly just want one thing and that is to be able to play in a multiplayer PVE environment, as the game is touted as an MMO, is touted as play your way.

This is also true for PVP players as well, they want to play in a multiplayer PVP environment where they can engage in combat both with and against other players...

 

[TERMINATRIXXX]

Yea, I've sent those reports before. Guess what? No effect. Something tells me you have minimal experience in Open in general.

Most Solo players have Zero experience in Open, but still try to tell us how it works and whats right and whats wrong. [big grin]

 

[Vorxian]

Since I never played GTA5 (and don't really intend to), can you (or someone else) elaborate on what exactly does that game do?

Trying hard to avoid the car crash happening in the thread!

To answer this, in GTA5 in open mode, you effectively untick a PvP consent check box that makes you inert to other player interaction. It ghosts you out on the map, and it prevents you from shooting, being hit, or physically interacting with another player. Even though you reside in the same instance, and can see everyone, and still talk to them unhindered.

 

[sewerratuk]

One of my concerns for 'open PvE' is someone can UA bomb my factions station right in front of me and flick the metaphorical finger at me or just force in into lockdown by killing security and waving at me. As far as I'm concerned that is PvP but I'm the aggressor if I try and take direct action.
Huh? I don't get the difference between using the BGS to destroy months of my work or me shooting your ship and destroying days of your work?

 

[TERMINATRIXXX]

Trying hard to avoid the car crash happening in the thread!

To answer this, in GTA5 in open mode, you effectively untick a PvP consent check box that makes you inert to other player interaction. It ghosts you out on the map, and it prevents you from shooting, being hit, or physically interacting with another player. Even though you reside in the same instance, and can see everyone, and still talk to them unhindered.

Not true!
Called passive mode, which makes you semi transparent, you still on the map but with a special blip so everyone see you are in mode (oh passivemode), you can still be flattened by other players
We usually votekick passive mode players out of the lobby....well done.

 

[Vorxian]

Not true!
Called passive mode, which makes you semi transparent, you still on the map but with a special blip so everyone see you are in mode (oh passivemode), you can still be flattened by other players
We usually votekick passive mode players out of the lobby....well done.

Been a while since I was in, thanks for the clarification

Must admit, never been flattened in passive mode before, driven right through people.. [up] (unless something has changed).

 

[GluttonyFang]

Sure you do LOL that's hilarious, or explains a lot about the world. Though I suppose the folk laundering clothes for waste collectors work for state government in some jurisdictions so it is possible.

http://imgur.com/a/zYEgO

I know right, sure I do. Sometimes people are ignorant to a ludicrous degree.

But now you have an amazing ability to determine how much time I've spent in Open based on whether or not you got a reply from a complaint about antisocial behaviour?

GOOD LORD.

You used an example, then when it got debunked, you find it trivial, really?

And anyone takes this seriously?!?! It's just nonsense and dress up.

Very much so, from the nonsense I'm receiving from your end.

 

[Shaamaan]

One of my concerns for 'open PvE' is someone can UA bomb my factions station right in front of me and flick the metaphorical finger at me or just force in into lockdown by killing security and waving at me. As far as I'm concerned that is PvP but I'm the aggressor if I try and take direct action.
Huh? I don't get the difference between using the BGS to destroy months of my work or me shooting your ship and destroying days of your work?

They can already do that in any other mode tho. Unless those people would be openly mocking you in LOCAL chat in such a PvE mode...

 

[excalibus]

I don't believe I said you were. I said effectively that the language you used was very biased. You posit two alternatives one that you support choice and play as you wish and the other support no choice and force them to play in open and to play their way. That last bit starting with the word forced is the biased part. That is not going to calm people down but will be perceived as insulting. Hence the call for you to restate your 'summary' in neutral and unbiased language. Say that in a way the the PvP players can accept and you might get somewhere. As it stands they will dig their heels in as JB already has.

Sorry I wasn't more clear in my post.

as an English speaking and moderately educated individual, I will say that mengy's post was quite clear to me, he was not positing 2 alternatives, he was simply making a statement as to what he sees as the bottom line of the numerous discussions on this have been, and quite succinctly and non demeaning to either the PVE or PVP players... well done Mengy

 

[MarkAusten]

It's not a matter of me accusing things I don't agree with. It's people not having the fundamental ethics required to participate in a conversation. I don't walk into my conference without at least memorizing most of the topic that will be discussed that day, or at least carry a memo with me that reminds me of the things I will be talking about, or engaging with.

Having different opinions is totally fine, but having incompetence in preparation for engaging in a serious conversation/debate is something I despise.

And you despising something is your prerogative. However, not everyone has a edict memory like you and therefore not everyone is able to remember exactly what was said or may remember incorrectly. However, being quite so undiplomatic (read sarcastic, accusatory and other such words) does not help. It just makes people fed up with you and your opinions as you do not seem to be able to play nicely with those that are not as able as you are.

And right there, you lose the argument even if you are correct. It's way too easy to just say 'Oh GF again, skip him he's just being a PITA' and frankly I can see why. You either come across as acerbic or condescending and neither of which help people understand what you are trying to say. And so it escalates.

You have many good points in your arguments but they are outweighed by the tone in which you respond to those people that do not meet you exacting standards.

I doubt you go into the conferences you mentioned and talk to the delegates there in such a manner as you do on this forum.

Just looking back over your last 7 posts all but two of them have undiplomatic (I hesitate to say rude even though that's what I think) content, and one comes over as really condescending. Only one could be considered as reasonably balanced and informative.

Oh well. We've gone right off topic again and that's my fault. Sorry about that.

 

[sewerratuk]

They can already do that in any other mode tho. Unless those people would be openly mocking you in LOCAL chat in such a PvE mode...

Yeah they can currently do it and that is what lots have an issue with, but hey that's the way the game was built so I am not complaining about that. However you must be able to see the irony of people saying they don't engage in PvP and dislike others directly affecting them (pirating, killing, etc.) when the whole game is set up around passive PvP.

If there was a mode where you couldn't kill other players I fully expect people to be abusing it in the way you mention

 

[MarkAusten]

as an English speaking and moderately educated individual, I will say that mengy's post was quite clear to me, he was not positing 2 alternatives, he was simply making a statement as to what he sees as the bottom line of the numerous discussions on this have been, and quite succinctly and non demeaning to either the PVE or PVP players... well done Mengy

I agree with what he was trying to say as well. I just disagreed with the bit that came over as really biased language.

 

[GluttonyFang]

And you despising something is your prerogative. However, not everyone has a edict memory like you and therefore not everyone is able to remember exactly what was said or may remember incorrectly. However, being quite so undiplomatic (read sarcastic, accusatory and other such words) does not help. It just makes people fed up with you and your opinions as you do not seem to be able to play nicely with those that are not as able as you are.

And right there, you lose the argument even if you are correct. It's way too easy to just say 'Oh GF again, skip him he's just being a PITA' and frankly I can see why. You either come across as acerbic or condescending and neither of which help people understand what you are trying to say. And so it escalates.

I give people what they deserve, how they view it is their issue, not mine. Some people earn my respect, like yourself, some don't, it's simple as that.

You have many good points in your arguments but they are outweighed by the tone in which you respond to those people that do not meet you exacting standards.

I am a demanding individual, I won't deny that.

I doubt you go into the conferences you mentioned and talk to the delegates there in such a manner as you do on this forum.

Delegates here do their "homework" before going to a conference so I don't need to remind them that they need to do their homework. While I don't exact need complete dedication here, I expect at least people following directions leading them to the information they need. Instead I get an attitude.

Just looking back over your last 7 posts all but two of them have undiplomatic (I hesitate to say rude even though that's what I think) content, and one comes over as really condescending. Only one could be considered as reasonably balanced and informative.

Oh well. We've gone right off topic again and that's my fault. Sorry about that.

No problem, I will act in accordance to what value people show me and respect or criticize them as I go.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I give people what they deserve, how they view it is their issue, not mine. Some people earn my respect, like yourself, some don't, it's simple as that.
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Strangely tho i do not see you being condescending to the people who post some clearly derogate or ill thought out posts against PvE players.... it seems rude and factually incorrect posters get a pass from you if they happen to be pro PvP........ or perhaps i am mistaken?

 

[GluttonyFang]

Strangely tho i do not see you being condescending to the people who post some clearly derogate or ill thought out posts against PvE players.... it seems rude and factually incorrect posters get a pass from you if they happen to be pro PvP........ or perhaps i am mistaken?

While there is no immediate example that comes to my mind, if that does happen to be the case, I will pay more attention to the issue.

 

[TERMINATRIXXX]

Been a while since I was in, thanks for the clarification

Must admit, never been flattened in passive mode before, driven right through people.. [up] (unless something has changed).

If someone in passivemode need to be killed, aim with your car.....speeding and exit the vehicle so it continue driving in the players direction = mission done
Works great with jets and helis too haha

 

[Shaamaan]

Yeah they can currently do it and that is what lots have an issue with, but hey that's the way the game was built so I am not complaining about that. However you must be able to see the irony of people saying they don't engage in PvP and dislike others directly affecting them (pirating, killing, etc.) when the whole game is set up around passive PvP.

The BGS is... I honestly don't know. I definitely see your point about calling it "passive PVP", but I'm not sure I'd fully agree with it. At the very least, I don't think it was the intent it was designed with. It's not so much PvP as it is an attempt to make a automated, dynamic universe. In something like EVE this would be purely active PvP. In other MMOs this is usually handled by the developers exclusively. ED does something new with this. It's not PvP, it's not NOT PvP (yes, I know how silly that sounds... bare with me, please). In most cases the players aren't actively trying to oppose each other via the BGS - they're taking the BGS for what it offers and don't try to affect it "deliberately". Of course dedicated groups CAN try and shift the BGS deliberately - there's nothing stopping them (sometimes quite literally, really). Perhaps that's why the BGS is such a mysterious entity and why FD are so opposed to implementing guilds / corporations?

If there was a mode where you couldn't kill other players I fully expect people to be abusing it in the way you mention

Just to be sure we're on the same page - do you mean mockery or just performing opposing BGS tasks? The latter, well, it's a broader thing as described above. There's a block feature for the former, which should suffice for this particular issue.

 

[frostypaw]

http://imgur.com/a/zYEgO

I know right, sure I do. Sometimes people are ignorant to a ludicrous degree.

That's evidence that you're just a student who's being allowed to listen in and read up to learn. Exactly as has been said before. It's ok we get it - you consider yourself expert in language-PvP.

You used an example, then when it got debunked, you find it trivial, really?

I'm sorry - are you genuinely expecting us to believe you're a lawyer yet you give one personal experience that's nothing but hearsay and consider that a full debunking and therefore evidence of how much time I spend in open?

Can you see why we don't believe you?

Let's stop bigging ourselves up and discuss the actual point - that banning offensive-pvp people to solo is perfectly doable and doing so will clear their house out and give them a lot less trouble in the long term.

 

[GluttonyFang]

That's evidence that you're just a student who's being allowed to listen in and read up to learn. Exactly as has been said before. It's ok we get it - you consider yourself expert in language-PvP.

Hah... do your research on the internship program before you go on... It's painful to watch.

I'm sorry - are you genuinely expecting us to believe you're a lawyer yet you give one personal experience that's nothing but hearsay and consider that a full debunking and therefore evidence of how much time I spend in open?

I'm sorry, was your reading capacity so limited that you can't read that I've stated over and over I'm aspiring to be a lawyer, not an actual lawyer? In fact, I might very well settle for a job in the government given the experience I have so far and how much I like it.

As for you question, you still haven't answered my initial criticism of using an example then trivializing it after being debunked.

Tu quoque anyone?

Edit:

In case you are confused, if we go by court procedures, your speculation never stood in the first place unless you provide accompanying evidence. Which is why I followed your case with my own of equivalent strength, then you start going on about hearsay as if you held actual evidence? Wot?

Not to mention its inherent triviality in punishing wrong-doers in a supposed PvE mode.

Can you see why we don't believe you?

I can see why you keep "arguing" the way you do and why it's continuously unconvincing, yes.

Let's stop bigging ourselves up and discuss the actual point - that banning offensive-pvp people to solo is perfectly doable and doing so will clear their house out and give them a lot less trouble in the long term.

It's doable if we had a game that was built for pure PvE, but the fact is it isn't and there are loopholes everywhere that are almost impossible to plug given FD's resources and the current state of the game.