Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.
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Greifers make absolutely no contribution to the community, the bgs, or anything at all really. the only people that would like to think otherwise are Greifers and trolls.
And by doing that, they just entrenched further the other side, in their opinion that they want nothing to do with the perpetrators, leading to these OPEN-PVE request threads.
Well done Sirs, well done!
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What bounties though?
The interview clearly states there are bounties
put out by the pilot's fed, but i as pirate strongly feel
they just point their finger at you and give you a yellow card for 6 days.
Bounties are a hilarious downgrade in the current iteration compared to PB.
Repercussions of the PF are not hard enough,
so i grew used to call 'em the "toddler's federation"
due to the lack of ability to keep the lot in shape.
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Yeah, thats the spirit! Everyone with a different opinion is a griefer or troll.
Oh wait! Maybe, you know, someone may find some amusement in overcoming challenges and being rewarded for improving their skills. If it weren't for 'griefers', trade CGs wouldbe just dull trucking.I know it must be hard to believe. Feel welcome to call me names to if it helps you stay in your bubble.
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Out of curiosity, do you think these SDC people are upset about topics like this? Or you think they find it amusing to see so many people complain about a vid?
"But we'll get Open-PvE for sure when we keep complaining!"
"Yeah, and then noone will play Open except griefers!"
"Definitely! We really showed them by whining!"
"Ha, take that griefers!"
Don't really care what they think, but publicity and attention is what exactly they are after. The problem is that any action, especially jerks one (but not in the game itself funnily enough), will lead to an opposite and often stronger reaction. Which result in them, looking to "up the ante" the next time, leading to further bigger reaction...
Human nature at its best, I would say. The question now, is whether the breaking point between the two groups is reached/about to be reached and when FDev is going to act to prevent a definitive divorce with either group, which would be a loss for the game but in a very different way.
Perceive lack of attention to PVE players/PVE contents and apparent neglect has started to fill the cup up to the top. You could say Combat Logging issues did the same at the other side of the spectrum.
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Griefers specialise in exploiting game mechanics to get in easy kills. I think there's a big difference from griefers and pure 'game hunters'.
GF said there's a video floating about where game hunters (CODE?) recorded an incident where they actively intercept said 'griefer'... Dead griefer! It shows that when it comes to it, and there's no game mechanics to shirk to ensure victory that they themselves become prey.
If you take away the griefers ability to grief, they simply become prey to the game hunters themselves.
If you remove PvEers away from open that are likely to combat log, you also remove those, that in essence; grief the game hunters (which oddly become victims of sort in this case).. (strange paradox).
They contribute as much to the overarching ED community as anybody. As apex predators, they have to train and practice hard, and delve deeply into all aspects of the PvE game in order to fund their extra curricular escapades, as well as engineer their killing machines. In general, your PvPers are more deeply entrenched in the inner workings of the game than anybody who isn't a PvPer, or at least getting prepared to be one. The only people who disagree are uniformed
The people who really want a mode where their ship is invulnerable at the flip of a switch and want to see Gankers perma banned from the game are going to lobby for this mode no matter what happens in the game at present. They aren't going to be happy until all threat has been removed and they can play without having to worry about anything.
This is where you are wrong. It is not about having an invulnerable ship. It is about not having to play with people they don't want anything to do with.
I'm well aware that a huge number of people don't log-in through Steam, but I find it hard to imagine that 990,000 people play regularly but don't log in through Steam.
Whatever the outcome, a mode separation will not prevent players
enetering the same mode and find solutions to their needs.
The final outcome will be one of either extremes, or both to vanish,
as teaches evolution.
I saw some strong parallels of the conflict brewing here for years
in the TV series "Westworld" i strongly recommend to watch it,
it has some depth in it and truth to be told.
Sidenote:
Had to chuckle when i tuned into a documentary film about
great white sharks:
"... as you can see, the great whites are not the bloodthirsty monsters,
man thinks they are. But they solemnly are the best adapted predators in the seas."
enetering the same mode and find solutions to their needs.
The final outcome will be one of either extremes, or both to vanish,
as teaches evolution.
I saw some strong parallels of the conflict brewing here for years
in the TV series "Westworld" i strongly recommend to watch it,
it has some depth in it and truth to be told.
Sidenote:
Had to chuckle when i tuned into a documentary film about
great white sharks:
"... as you can see, the great whites are not the bloodthirsty monsters,
man thinks they are. But they solemnly are the best adapted predators in the seas."
Yeah, thats the spirit! Everyone with a different opinion is a griefer or troll.
I know it must be hard to believe. Feel welcome to call me names to if it helps you stay in your bubble.
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Out of curiosity, do you think these SDC people are upset about topics like this? Or you think they find it amusing to see so many people complain about a vid?
"But we'll get Open-PvE for sure when we keep complaining!"
"Yeah, and then noone will play Open except griefers!"
"Definitely! We really showed them by whining!"
"Ha, take that griefers!"
Way to actually offer zero rebuttal. Not an argument at all.
They contribute as much to the overarching ED community as anybody. As apex predators, they have to train and practice hard, and delve deeply into all aspects of the PvE game in order to fund their extra curricular escapades, as well as engineer their killing machines. In general, your PvPers are more deeply entrenched in the inner workings of the game than anybody who isn't a PvPer, or at least getting prepared to be one. The only people who disagree are uniformed
Nice blanket statement at the end there.
I suspect what you've said is true about some of the PvP community, but not necessarily of griefers a lot of whom seem to just grind out the known exploits from the glimpses we get.
They are often far from 'apex predators' - most of my encounters have ended with me flying rings around them as they're just relying on a big ship and engineers weapons for an easy kill.
They contribute as much to the overarching ED community as anybody. As apex predators, they have to train and practice hard, and delve deeply into all aspects of the PvE game in order to fund their extra curricular escapades, as well as engineer their killing machines. In general, your PvPers are more deeply entrenched in the inner workings of the game than anybody who isn't a PvPer, or at least getting prepared to be one. The only people who disagree are uniformed
The people who really want a mode where their ship is invulnerable at the flip of a switch and want to see Gankers perma banned from the game are going to lobby for this mode no matter what happens in the game at present. They aren't going to be happy until all threat has been removed and they can play without having to worry about anything.
Takes a lot of practice to kill a type 6 with a corvette.
* rolls eyes*
Isn't going to happen though unless you guys are all given styrofoam packing peanuts for ammo when your hardpoints are deployed on a fellow CMDR, or your shields are otherwise invulnerable to fire from a CMDR's guns.
The blanket statement being made is that they're inept, grinding and exploiting, as opposed to practicing hard and more fully taking advantage of the same ingame tools as everybody else. If you guys were all "flying rings around" the average PvPer, we wouldn't have this thread.
Maybe not the best defense for PVP comparing them to the sleaziest of sleazy humans on earth. This comparison alone is almost enough for me to take a 180 on pk'ing. And I am the most PVP tolerant person on the forums.
But the major difference is this: animals are 100% at our mercy with no choice or chance at escape or defense. Killing them for sport is morally reprehensible by any measure of fair play. Whereas in PVP, the other human can actually fight back, successfully flee, or simply opt out of the possibility of a confrontation altogether.
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Problem is Jason I very specifically stated it wasn't all of them, and very specifically stated I was rather than everybody.
So I think it's safe to say there were no blanket statements there other than your quoted one.
The thread would still occur regardless, as most people's major complaint is the risk of having their gameplay interrupted by a PvPer, not the risk of being destroyed by some PvPer.