Frontier Should Abandon "OPEN" Mode to Save Elite

[mephisto9466]

Ganking is destroying Elite. Players quit in frustration after all their exploration data is lost or they are sent back to a Sidewinder because a ganker was "just having fun".
Solution is simple.
Make the game modes just "SOLO" and "Private Group" because this will permanently end ganking. Players can still play with friends for PvP but the toxic ganking culture will be wiped out. If players try ganking inside a Private Group they can be expelled immediately.
No more blocking required
Chat is restricted to inside the Private Group only so no more external harassment from the toxic gankers.
This is easy to do.

That’ll actually kill the game. Your trying to make frontier ruin the game. I’m a solo/private only player as well

 

[Redrick Schuhart]

It doesn't matter what mode you're in. It's not doom. It's just irrelevant.
If you want pvp, or even any multiplayer social game experience, there are other options to explore.
This isn't a dead horse, it's the memory of a dead horse at this point.
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Numbers, Mason... what do they mean?
Honestly, the numbers you've shown are completely OK for Elite, they've stayed more of less the same since the steam version launch.
One argument you could make is that the Odyssey launch numbers didn't hold up for long, which is true.
However, the same was true for Horizons in 2015:

Horizons was released in december 2015, as you can see the average numbers didn't go anywhere near 6k like at launch.
So your point is not logically sound.

 

[Chaparral]

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Numbers, Mason... what do they mean?
Honestly, the numbers you've shown are completely OK for Elite, they've stayed more of less the same since the steam version launch.
One argument you could make is that the Odyssey launch numbers didn't hold up for long, which is true.
However, the same was true for Horizons in 2015:
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Horizons was released in december 2015, as you can see the average numbers didn't go anywhere near 6k like at launch.
So your point is not logically sound.

LOL.

You really think a PVE PVP debate / Open only for a 6 year old game is suddenly going to inspire a flood of new PVP blood into this game? THAT is not logically sound.

You think that a game 2 months after a paid major content expansion retreats to player numbers on par or below the May release is going to experience a surge in players if it goes full PVP? THAT is not logically sound.

Especially given this as the perception of the expansion:

I also noticed that you snipped out the June July and August numbers from your charts. That's not a question of logic, it's just hiding from the evidence.

I get that you really want to crush any voices that are counter to your Open only passion, but this debate is irrelevant given the age and waning popularity of the game.

It is time to move along.

 

[Redrick Schuhart]

LOL.

You really think a PVE PVP debate / Open only for a 6 year old game is suddenly going to inspire a flood of new PVP blood into this game? THAT is not logically sound.

You think that a game 2 months after a paid major content expansion retreats to player numbers on par or below the May release is going to experience a surge in players if it goes full PVP? THAT is not logically sound.

Especially given this as the perception of the expansion:
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I also noticed that you snipped out the June July and August numbers from your charts. That's not a question of logic, it's just hiding from the evidence.

I get that you really want to crush any voices that are counter to your Open only passion, but this debate is irrelevant given the age and waning popularity of the game.

It is time to move along.

I never claimed that 'Open only' is the solution. I respect all of the modes. You can't remove either of them.
So your whole argument is flawed, because i never claimed that 'going full PVP' is the solution. Incentivising PVP is great, as much as improving PVE.
But to say something like

This isn't a dead horse, it's the memory of a dead horse at this point.

Based on a screenshot showing average player numberstoday is pretty silly, with all due respect.
Here's your June and July stats from 2020

Do keep in mind that it was the peak of Covid, which is hard not to consider.

Maybe you should look at these? They look pretty much the same to me, compared to the current situtation.
I was merely in disagreement with your 'irrelevant' and 'dead horse' claims, they are not true. These stats have been the same (except covid times) since 2014