Frontier; We Need Basic InGame Search Functionality/Tools

[znôrt]

I'm tired of having to use Inara.cz and similar community sites to figure out where I can find Interstellar Factors, technology brokers etc in your video game.

careful what you wish for. i highly doubt frontier could match the quality of sites like eddb.io or inara.cz, those are enthusiast projects.

also, i don't think it's a good idea to have frontier messing with the galaxy map, nor with ui in general, they never were their forte and there is a good record of monumental screw ups with ui changes.

btw you probably know this, but just in case: you can visually find interstellar factors or tech brokers in the galaxy map it's not optimal but it works. though sometimes the "if" is in a surface settlement and afaik the system map won't show which. again, better if they don't touch anything and just leave it as is.

 

[goemon]

grammatically correct

isn't the semicolon either use to refer to two seperate clauses (so in this case - referring to frontier, and seperated from frontier to the fact some we needs basic in-game search? or to order a list including commas, which the title doesn't?
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anyway. i would like to have a search - in station for all data available at that station plus those data you have access to, as you have visited systems or markets before.

typing in "domestic appliances" would list all stations selling domestic appliances and their prices, and have a button to buy more data in range. "material trader" would list all material traders you know of.

problem being, that inara etc. list crowd-sourced data, so in most cases more, than a single commander "knows off". see how the filters in the galaxy map work - if you haven't visited the system, you don't know which services are available afaik. If you haven't docked at a market in system, you don't know its prices.

whether more data should be readily available to the commander per se of stations, services and systems they haven't visited is a different discussion methinks.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

isn't the semicolon either use to refer to two seperate clauses (so in this case - referring to frontier, and seperated from frontier to the fact some we needs basic in-game search? or to order a list including commas, which the title doesn't?
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anyway. i would like to have a search - in station for all data available at that station plus those data you have access to, as you have visited systems or markets before.

typing in "domestic appliances" would list all stations selling domestic appliances and their prices, and have a button to buy more data in range. "material trader" would list all material traders you know of.

problem being, that inara etc. list crowd-sourced data, so in most cases more, than a single commander "knows off". see how the filters in the galaxy map work - if you haven't visited the system, you don't know which services are available afaik. If you haven't docked at a market in system, you don't know its prices.

whether more data should be readily available to the commander per se of stations, services and systems they haven't visited is a different discussion methinks.

The correct way in the case of the thread title would be using a comma instead.







I'm here all day.

 

[Aeorath]

The correct way in the case of the thread title would be using a comma instead.







I'm here all day.

This usage of the semicolon in the title reminds me of one famous authors in my country; one of his teachers pointed out to him he was using the colon wrong in his composition text. To which he replied: "It's my text, my exposition, I will use those colons wherever I see fit."

 

[Deleted member 182079]

This usage of the semicolon in the title reminds me of one famous author in my country; one of his teachers pointed out to him he was using the colon wrong in his composition text. To which he replied: "It's my text, my exposition, I will use those colons wherever I see fit."

With English something is quite interesting, in that many native speakers usually have a fairly poor grasp on the grammar side of things (I was shocked when I found out that at least in the UK grammar isn't normally taught in school, but it does explain things) whereas it is part of the syllabus when studying it as a foreign language. You can therefore get away with the wildest butcherings as long as it is understood what you're trying to say - whereas in other languages grammar mistakes are frowned upon and can make you look stupid (if you're native that is).

(Disclaimer: it's not my mother tongue either, but I've lived in English speaking countries for almost half my life)

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

With English something is quite interesting, in that many native speakers usually have a fairly poor grasp on the grammar side of things (I was shocked when I found out that at least in the UK grammar isn't normally taught in school, but it does explain things) whereas it is taught properly when studying it as a foreign language. You can therefore get away with the wildest butcherings as long as it is understood what you're trying to say - whereas in other languages grammar mistakes are frowned upon and can make you look stupid (if you're native that is).

(Disclaimer: it's not my mother tongue either, but I've lived in English speaking countries for almost half my life)

Funny, a couple of years ago I took a German language course, evening school. There were a range of nationalities taking the course, on the whole, us British had the hardest time trying to learn it. Concepts around grammar flew over our heads whilst those from other nations, grasped the concepts easily.

 

[Walter2]

It should contain either a comma (offering the whole as a straightforward statement addressed to Frontier) or the more imperious colon.
Not many people have access to an imperious colon.

 

[Aeorath]

With English something is quite interesting, in that many native speakers usually have a fairly poor grasp on the grammar side of things (I was shocked when I found out that at least in the UK grammar isn't normally taught in school, but it does explain things) whereas it is taught properly when studying it as a foreign language. You can therefore get away with the wildest butcherings as long as it is understood what you're trying to say - whereas in other languages grammar mistakes are frowned upon and can make you look stupid (if you're native that is).

(Disclaimer: it's not my mother tongue either, but I've lived in English speaking countries for almost half my life)

I am not a native speaker either, but I've been living in English-speaking countries for the past 15 years; in my native country, learning English grammar wasn't optional, you either did it, or you didn't pass any test in English language.

I've met many native English speakers who weren't, in the slightest degree, vexed by the fact they couldn't speak or spell correctly in their own language. It was... unimportant. Just like that. In my own native language, that is unacceptable, at least in school. You fail your exams, simple as that, the same as the grammar of a foreign language you learn in school; there is no differentiation between native and foreign languages grammar where I come from.

Sorry for the detour in the thread.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Funny, a couple of years ago I took a German language course, evening school. There were a range of nationalities taking the course, on the whole, us British had the hardest time trying to learn it. Concepts around grammar flew over our heads whilst those from other nations, grasped the concepts easily.

Yeah, had the same experience with French lessons I took (currently living in a largely French speaking area), we had a couple of English speakers and they struggled the most by far, whereas most others (from all sorts of different countries around the world) fared better, to varying degrees.

 

[Walter2]

In defence of the English, it was cobbled together after (at least) three cultures crunched together on a small island - two Germanic and Gallic - followed by "learned" impositions from Hellenic and Latin and an almost compulsive desire to add words and phrases acquired from anyone who was passing. It's a wonder there are any rules at all.
The general outcome to all this history is that you can say most things in more than one way - if it doesn't sound right in one form try another. Flexibility is king and variety is the spice of life.

I've spoken it all my life and have no problems whatsoever and was taught grammar at school - at a grammar school, in fact - but there are still many technical terms that I don't know that can be applied to my everyday speech. And I've managed to get through many, many years without knowing what a fronted adverb is.

But there are times when the certainties of French and German grammars have their attractions.

 

[zimms]

On second thought, no thanks. I'm good. I'll rather tab out and use my browser.

Just take a look at the outfitting menu, etc. That's what we'd get if Frontier implemented these into the game. Optimized for gamepads, nightmare to use for me.

 

[zombieapocalypse]

I just want the ability to sort/filter my stored modules.

 

[fu9ar]

Why do you hate the Elite Community, OP?

 

[Treya]

Interstellar Factors and Technology Brokers can be found via Galmap.

True, but only if a station is within a certain range and has been visited before. And because there are not enough distinctive characteristics to discover some of the services listed in that filter it's next to impossible to do so without outside help (worst case being the FC vendor systems with a count of 13 total).
Removing these restrictions would make that filter actually useful.

 

[Bigmaec]

True, but only if a station is within a certain range and has been visited before. And because there are not enough distinctive characteristics to discover some of the services listed in that filter it's next to impossible to do so without outside help (worst case being the FC vendor systems with a count of 13 total).
Removing these restrictions would make that filter actually useful.

True.

 

[CMDR Sophie Joanne]

Not to...
It seems to be a trend to capitalise the first letter of each word in titles atm.
No idea why as it just makes it look like click bait, to me.

doesThatMeanICanStartWritingInCamelcase?

 

[Cmdr Snuffler]

Interstellar Factors and Technology Brokers can be found via Galmap.

It doesn't work
I was 4ly from Sirius, where's I've used the mat trader a billion times, and the map outright refused to show me it...or other ones near by (within 20ly) that I 100% knew existed because I've also used them before.
Three days my gal map would only show me some interstellar factors near me, but outright refused to flag ANY mat traders. Yes I was within 40 ly, yes I have used them before, yes my gal map settings we set to show everything....before anyone asks.
It's complete rng whether the services finder works.

 

[MickyG1982]

grammatically correct

Really? had no idea lol. How though, if you dont mind explaining?

You have to have visited the system first (if I remember rightly) to know what's there. But basically any low security system with at least one station will have an IF.

 

[pnellesen]

In the galmap filters

I still have not been able to use that to find a Fleet Carrier Vendor (even the one I've been to doesn't show up when I'm within 40 LY.) It does work for Carrier Administration systems, however.

The entire search/filter/bookmark/marketplace comparison system needs a huge update to bring it up to 20th(sic) Century standards, imo.

 

[Bigmaec]

It doesn't work
I was 4ly from Sirius, where's I've used the mat trader a billion times, and the map outright refused to show me it...or other ones near by (within 20ly) that I 100% knew existed because I've also used them before.
Three days my gal map would only show me some interstellar factors near me, but outright refused to flag ANY mat traders. Yes I was within 40 ly, yes I have used them before, yes my gal map settings we set to show everything....before anyone asks.
It's complete rng whether the services finder works.

I still have not been able to use that to find a Fleet Carrier Vendor (even the one I've been to doesn't show up when I'm within 40 LY.) It does work for Carrier Administration systems, however.

The entire search/filter/bookmark/marketplace comparison system needs a huge update to bring it up to 20th(sic) Century standards, imo.

OP said we need basic ingame search functionality.

I say we have basic ingame search functionality.

It will never be as refined as a third party tool.
It could use some upgrades, sure, but the basic functionality is there and OP confessed he didn't knew.

It's like many features of Elite, barebones but could be much better.