Frontier, why are you afraid of skeletons?

But Jwe 1 and 2 have really brzutal guest killing animations depends on the dino. In jwe 2 the sound of a screaming guest gets muffled when the head is completely in mouth of a dino awesome detailšŸ˜….

Idk what some of you expect 84 animals with plenty of animations this alone would be insane work. Not to mention the rest of the game. You guys want real life simulation.good luck with that in this life.
 
Yeah, no... the original trilogy was about as grounded as a hot-aired balloon; science was frequently sacrificed for story telling... and most anything involving the T-Rex or Velociraptors were pure fantasy... and the JW movies not visceral? The pterosaur attack... watching someone get eaten alive by a mosasaur... seeing all the people and animals killed by the Indominus... the raptors turning on the humans... the Indoraptor ripping off a guy's arm and eating it... and so on... I swear, you people want to hate the new movies so much your trying to invent a new reality to justify it...
Its hollywood. Inser pikatchu face
 
From what I remember from JWE is that Universal doesn't want us killing the dinosaurs since the new thing is this whole kind of cringe save the dinosaurs theme with the DPG. It sounds like something from bad fan fiction. I don't blame frontier cause they are just working with the material and didn't come up with it.

You are using JPOG as an example. JPOG is from 2003. The world was a lot different then. These days people don't want you killing animals. Even extinct ones that were brought back from extinction and cloned.

Also Frontier wants to keep the game at a T for Teen rating. They are aiming these games at kids. You will never see anymore gore than what you will see now. I would say maybe some modders will make some gore mods but that never happened with JWE that I am aware of though I didn't follow the modding of that game much. Modders were too busy doing other mods. But maybe someone will do a gore mod.
 
Violent nonsense you didnt saw enough movies if you think this is violent nonsense, not even close. Jp did write cinema history. Jw is the 3rd most succesfull film everšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø.
 
Violent nonsense you didnt saw enough movies if you think this is violent nonsense, not even close. Jp did write cinema history. Jw is the 3rd most succesfull film everšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø.
It's was the third most successful at the time. Now, it's number six after Star War: The Force Awakens, Avengers: Infinity War, and Avengers: Endgame came out.
 
Yeah, no... the original trilogy was about as grounded as a hot-aired balloon; science was frequently sacrificed for story telling... and most anything involving the T-Rex or Velociraptors were pure fantasy... and the JW movies not visceral? The pterosaur attack... watching someone get eaten alive by a mosasaur... seeing all the people and animals killed by the Indominus... the raptors turning on the humans... the Indoraptor ripping off a guy's arm and eating it... and so on... I swear, you people want to hate the new movies so much your trying to invent a new reality to justify it...

I think you missed the point a tad there.

Creative liberties are always taken, but the scenario even if exaggerated and scientifically inaccurate was still in service to a grounded idea of how people might realistically act in a hypothetical dinosaur theme park. Jurassic World had a theme about a fully operational dinosaur theme park that was sanitized by corporate interests which albeit true was also an excuse for Universal to push hard on the marketing of real world companies. The overall execution of JW is less convincing than the Jurassic Park trilogy-- even acknowledging the much maligned Raptor gymnastics and Dream Raptor sequences or JP3 in general.

Animals felt like they had less weight to them, more about special effects and intense scenes than being somewhat akin to animals. You hear Star Wars fans talk about this all the time with how lightsaber duels have this huge contrast from the original films to the new trilogy. I mean just look at how Blue emerged as this hero dinosaur, a slightly unexpected but welcomed marketing tool. Blue and the Rex fighting together to defeat the Indominus was also much more of a childhood fantasy scenario where they teamed up to defeat the new big bad. The pterosaur attack in JW was undermined again by execution and a really bad over-the-top death for Zara. This attack was undermined by how the response to it was, comically late alarm, Claire and Owen rushing in to be the heroes firing tranquilizers like bullets, and then topped off by the Zara death that was so laughable because it kept getting more ridiculous. Had they left it at her getting picked up and carried away it would have been visceral instead they kept tossing her around and had to make a scene for the Mosasaur at the end.

Fallen Kingdom altogether showed the bad direction Universal took with the trilogy in terms of its execution. The new characters of Franklin and Zia felt like they walked in off the streets of California and into the studio. Their acting was too hyperbolic with Franklin's comical screams and the sanitizer scene, Zia I completely lost my suspension of disbelief with the second she said she was studying to be a Paleo-Veterinarian but had never visited Jurassic World. All the blood was scrubbed from the film, a crucial scene detailing the Indoraptor was cut instead of the other nonsense, they had to pan over Claire's boots because of the dumb outrage of her running in high heels at the end of JW, the entire scenario going back to Isla Nublar felt like a worse executed Lost World.

It felt rushed, the villains were typical Saturday morning cartoon villains, the scene with Owen crawling away from the lava went on too long and felt so forced for laughs, surviving pyroclastic flow was a liberty too far. Hammond got a new middle name for no reason, Lockwood might as well not have been in the movie for all he contributed, the auction prices were stupidly low, Blue really played up too much as a hero character with how she killed the Indoraptor. Stygy was the new marketing mascot pushed alongside Blue, Bumpy would follow for Camp Cretaceous. They made Dr. Wu look like a bumbling clown for how easily he was removed as a threat.

Special mention for Battle at Big Rock where a little girl is firing bolts at an Allosaurus with a crossbow while the neighbors are in hiding. That was even worse than the Raptor gymnastics scene in Lost World.

Finally, are we not going to address the elephant in the room that is a continual push for the inclusion of more Chinese dinosaurs given China is such a huge market for Hollywood films. This explains why Pachyrhinosaurus was put on the chopping block for Sinoceratops even though the former is far more well known and popular. Frontier does it too since Tencent has a small ownership of their company, and all Chinese companies are state-run companies, but I will leave it at that rather than bring in all the politics surrounding it.

I will say Qianzhousaurus is a great addition though and a nice reference to Steve Brusatte the paleontological consultant for Dominion.

Yet for all the fumbled execution, the JW films have had some stellar ideas far more in the direction Crichton would have wanted. They also took some chances with blowing up Nublar the way they did and introducing dinosaurs to the mainland and especially the human cloning implications. I think I've made my point sufficiently though with just a few things about both JW movies being less visceral.
 
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Dropping in from the Elite: Dangerous forums to ask, is JWE sold in China? If so, that's your answer.
 
From what I remember from JWE is that Universal doesn't want us killing the dinosaurs since the new thing is this whole kind of cringe save the dinosaurs theme with the DPG. It sounds like something from bad fan fiction. I don't blame frontier cause they are just working with the material and didn't come up with it.

You are using JPOG as an example. JPOG is from 2003. The world was a lot different then. These days people don't want you killing animals. Even extinct ones that were brought back from extinction and cloned.

Also Frontier wants to keep the game at a T for Teen rating. They are aiming these games at kids. You will never see anymore gore than what you will see now. I would say maybe some modders will make some gore mods but that never happened with JWE that I am aware of though I didn't follow the modding of that game much. Modders were too busy doing other mods. But maybe someone will do a gore mod.

I know Universal doesn't want us killing dinosaurs precisely because of the decisions they have made for the DPG, to keep the parents complaining about how it traumatized their kids, and because Chinese censorship is legendary. Every Hollywood studio is pandering hard for the Chinese market and they self-censor to save money so they won't have to make two versions anymore. We are getting watered down material because Universal wants money and Frontier is just obliged to go along with it because they would lose the license otherwise that and Tencent is surely going to have a thing or two to say.

Animals rights are an important issue, but no one who can "retire" a dinosaur in a video game is going to go out and suddenly start abusing animals. I am only opposed to retiring them because its a lazy excuse to remove problems from your gameplay. Those turrets in JPOG were probably one of my few major gripes with the game.

Give it time and modders might create gore. I am not really bothered by it in JWE/JWE2 though, its more of the justification why you can't have child guests in the game. Its the great irony Universal has to walk the line of they want to appeal to kids since they love dinosaurs without getting flak from the parents or scaring the kids from buying their merchandise.
 
As for why these things aren't in the game, I would say its Universal who has taken a more kiddy approach and are less willing to take risks like with the JP trilogy which was far more visceral and grounded.
That doesn’t explain some things like Charlie’s or Grim’s deaths which were direct human-made shots. As for the skeletons, I guarantee you, since this thread directly refers to the corps models in Operation Genesis, it’s more work than necessary for the resources provided to make the game for launch. It’s not just direct game developing and IP owner related stuff game budgets are spent on. There is no ā€œkiddy exploitingā€ conspiracy here.
 
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I know Universal doesn't want us killing dinosaurs precisely because of the decisions they have made for the DPG, to keep the parents complaining about how it traumatized their kids, and because Chinese censorship is legendary. Every Hollywood studio is pandering hard for the Chinese market and they self-censor to save money so they won't have to make two versions anymore. We are getting watered down material because Universal wants money and Frontier is just obliged to go along with it because they would lose the license otherwise that and Tencent is surely going to have a thing or two to say.

Animals rights are an important issue, but no one who can "retire" a dinosaur in a video game is going to go out and suddenly start abusing animals. I am only opposed to retiring them because its a lazy excuse to remove problems from your gameplay. Those turrets in JPOG were probably one of my few major gripes with the game.

Give it time and modders might create gore. I am not really bothered by it in JWE/JWE2 though, its more of the justification why you can't have child guests in the game. Its the great irony Universal has to walk the line of they want to appeal to kids since they love dinosaurs without getting flak from the parents or scaring the kids from buying their merchandise.
Ugh. Not the "Sinoceratops was put in to appease the Chinese market" argument again. While Universal does many things to appease the Chinese market, putting in Sinoceratops is definitely not one of them. Sinoceratops does not have a Mandarin genus name. Only people familiar with the (more so at the time) obscure genus or etymology would even know that it's from China. I guarantee you that the number of people who work at Universal who know that Sinoceratops is Chinese is miniscule, possibly in the single digits. The change from Pachyrhinosaurus happened only after the first trailer for Fallen Kingdom premiered, when fans had no idea what the Pachyrhinosaurus was supposed to be. At that time, Mattel had already made a Pachyrhinosaurus toy that looks like an actual Sinoceratops. Mattel were actually the first to reveal that the Pachyrhinosaurus had been renamed to Sinoceratops. What most likely happened was that Universal realized that their Pachyrhinosaurus was largely unrecognizable from the real animal and the Mattel toy and simply chose the ceratopsian that it most closely resembled as the new genus. Please try to remember that most people have zero knowledge of dinosaurs and would have zero clue that Sinoceratops hails from China. Sources here: Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisLikesDinos/status/964869098743230464
. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/j...8.33_PM.png/revision/latest?cb=20180223070104.
 
That doesn’t explain some things like Charlie’s or Grim’s deaths which were direct human-made shots. As for the skeletons, I guarantee you, since this thread directly refers to the corps models in Operation Genesis, it’s more work than necessary for the resources provided to make the game for launch. It’s not just direct game developing and IP owner related stuff game budgets are spent on. There is no ā€œkiddy exploitingā€ conspiracy here.

Charlie's death was a bit silly, but I suppose it was a reference to the novel Muldoon. Also, note that we never actually see Charlie's body, there is no gore or body seen. Grim's death is way better and I am actually rather happy they didn't shy away from it. However, let's compare those deaths to the human deaths of Muldoon and Udesky and the visceral and gritty nature becomes apparent. You see them get attacked, there is blood and their is pain, suffering, and fear. If you are looking for animal deaths, T-Rex had its neck snapped by Spino, Raptor gymnastics left that raptor impaled, Rex hunted down a Gallimimus on screen only going off screen for the most bloody pieces which Tim actually comments on.

You'd be surprised at the amount of things spent on for game development you might find unnecessary. Would have been rather easy to add skeletons, its no different than Frontier putting in the effort for dinosaurs to leave footprints, its just an added layer of detail. The longer they go without doing it the harder it becomes as the work multiplies from new systems being added and the species number increasing. Its just a fact that children and killing dinosaurs are not in the game because Universal doesn't want that image for the IP, the skeleton thing is also something that has long been censored for the Chinese marketplace. Its inconsistent in its enforcement given the nature of the government there, but let's not act like its just development resources simply not being allocated.

Frontier is a business, it wants to make money, they want to appeal to a broader market. Tencent has a small ownership of their shares, Universal tends to do very well in China particularly with the Jurassic films, and Frontier wants that lucrative Jurassic license. From a business standpoint it all makes perfect sense. I am not suggesting 100% that is why we don't have all sorts of things like skeletons and what not, but it actively discourages the idea of us getting them.


Ugh. Not the "Sinoceratops was put in to appease the Chinese market" argument again. While Universal does many things to appease the Chinese market, putting in Sinoceratops is definitely not one of them. Sinoceratops does not have a Mandarin genus name. Only people familiar with the (more so at the time) obscure genus or etymology would even know that it's from China. I guarantee you that the number of people who work at Universal who know that Sinoceratops is Chinese is miniscule, possibly in the single digits. The change from Pachyrhinosaurus happened only after the first trailer for Fallen Kingdom premiered, when fans had no idea what the Pachyrhinosaurus was supposed to be. At that time, Mattel had already made a Pachyrhinosaurus toy that looks like an actual Sinoceratops. Mattel were actually the first to reveal that the Pachyrhinosaurus had been renamed to Sinoceratops. What most likely happened was that Universal realized that their Pachyrhinosaurus was largely unrecognizable from the real animal and the Mattel toy and simply chose the ceratopsian that it most closely resembled as the new genus. Please try to remember that most people have zero knowledge of dinosaurs and would have zero clue that Sinoceratops hails from China. Sources here: Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisLikesDinos/status/964869098743230464
. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/j...8.33_PM.png/revision/latest?cb=20180223070104.

Guess we are just going to ignore the whole "sino" in the name referencing the place of its discovery and that it was a Chinese paleontologist that discovered it. Mandarin might be the state sanctioned language of China, but there are many dialects for such a broad region as well. Sino is a very western term for context that references China and occasionally other parts of Asia particularly in relation to China.

I will acknowledge the likelihood the film crew were aware of paleontological knowledge on the subject is limited. However, when in the past has that distinction in genus ever really stopped Universal from just going out and doing something they thought was cool? Isn't that why half the time this community is in an uproar because of the inaccuracies of the species with the Jurassic aesthetic layered over top? The Jurassic Sinoceratops isn't accurate either with those holes in its frill which would not be present in the actual animal. I notice a lot of people seem to think I am just flat out condemning Universal and Frontier over this, but rather its hard to ignore there are some clear incentives there for them to make small changes here and there and if its coincidental, everyone is fine with it.

Having said all that, I concede the point on Sinoceratops, its all just speculation and conjecture on my part.
 
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Ugh. Not the "Sinoceratops was put in to appease the Chinese market" argument again. While Universal does many things to appease the Chinese market, putting in Sinoceratops is definitely not one of them. Sinoceratops does not have a Mandarin genus name. Only people familiar with the (more so at the time) obscure genus or etymology would even know that it's from China. I guarantee you that the number of people who work at Universal who know that Sinoceratops is Chinese is miniscule, possibly in the single digits. The change from Pachyrhinosaurus happened only after the first trailer for Fallen Kingdom premiered, when fans had no idea what the Pachyrhinosaurus was supposed to be. At that time, Mattel had already made a Pachyrhinosaurus toy that looks like an actual Sinoceratops. Mattel were actually the first to reveal that the Pachyrhinosaurus had been renamed to Sinoceratops. What most likely happened was that Universal realized that their Pachyrhinosaurus was largely unrecognizable from the real animal and the Mattel toy and simply chose the ceratopsian that it most closely resembled as the new genus. Please try to remember that most people have zero knowledge of dinosaurs and would have zero clue that Sinoceratops hails from China. Sources here: Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisLikesDinos/status/964869098743230464
. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/j...8.33_PM.png/revision/latest?cb=20180223070104.

Everyone knows Sino is referring to the China.
 
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