I think going from fully manual to semi-PG of animations of creatures is quite a useful thing to have in Cobra...
Frontier's Annual Results have been published (June 2018 to May 2019), showing a record year and Elite passing 3 million basegame sales
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I think going from fully manual to semi-PG of animations of creatures is quite a useful thing to have in Cobra...
I am fully aware that features added to the engine can benefit other games in the future. If that will be the case, it remains to be seen. Full scale planets in ED also doesnt mean that there will be full scale planets in Planet Zoo.
What I'm saying is that if FD truly wanted to make water worlds for ED, they would do it anyway, with or without water pools in Jurassic World or Planet Zoo.
I think if you believe that lurking some where is an idea that all those games are goign to result in some amazing space game, you should look closer to home for the delusion.
The plain fact is, Frontier cannot produce one single release without bugs and shoddy quality control. They have proven that time and time again. So the idea that amazing turn of events and some AAA title is coming [soon] is fallacy borne from hope. But hey, that's your problem
I think if you believe that lurking some where is an idea that all those games are goign to result in some amazing space game, you should look closer to home for the delusion.
The plain fact is, Frontier cannot produce one single release without bugs and shoddy quality control. They have proven that time and time again. So the idea that amazing turn of events and some AAA title is coming [soon] is fallacy borne from hope. But hey, that's your problem
You are confused: I already have a number of amazing space games, including ED, and I have no problem. At some point you're really going to have to get to grip with other people enjoying themselves.
Working? So basically a remake of a 1984 game with great graphics is all they wanted? if that's true the yes, job done, move onto the next remake.
Hardly visionary tho is it?
You are confused: I already have a number of amazing space games, including ED, and I have no problem. At some point you're really going to have to get to grip with other people enjoying themselves.
I'm happy your low expectations have been met. I expected more and am still waiting. Yes I know, that's my problem
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I mean, i have a bit of a background in testing. Not game test. (I also was in some betas and stuff, but that was private fun and doesn't count in this regard. Also, most game companies beta testing doesn't even meet the bare minimum standard of any real testing. This games betas included. )
I started out in semiconductor testing, now since over a decade work as software tester. And at least based on my experience, i would say that the rate of bugs and problems of ED is not exceedingly high. I've seen actual commercial software being delivered to the customer and being accepted in worse shape than ED ever was. (Of course there were some bugfix cycles afterwards, but that doesn't change the fact that the delivery date was kept, despite the quality was lacking. Sometimes even as the customer insisted on it. I guess the working part was more important for them than the troubles they would have with the bugs. What can I say, I am only the tester, not the user. )
So no, of course ED is not perfect. I disagree with a number of design decissions and also noticed that sometimes the delivery date was considered more important than quality. (Which was a bit astonishing here, as we customers were not given a fixed delivery date in advance. So they could've delayed things a bit to fix things still. ) But the rate of critical and gamebreaking bugs is comparatively low for a game of this size. So i would guess that their QA team might be too small (it almost always is), which forces them to focus on the essentials, but within their capabilities they seem to do an above average job.
And all of this i dare to say before looking at it from my gamers experience. Where i have to say that spent a lot of time, sometimes over a year, in games which had way more severe bugs and problems. But as long as we players had fun and were able to work around them, i guess we accepted it.
So yea, i just can't agree to your assessment that ED would have exceedingly low quality. I am ready to rant and be angry about a number of design decissions, most of all PP and engineers, but on the technical side the game is not doing that bad. (And for the record: I consider the P2P architecture to be a design decission in the scope of this statement. )
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Don’t you dare disrespect Doris, if not for her we will have to play NMS or waiting for SC !
Although you also have to say, if she wasn't that much into weight watchers and would've added a bit more sugger to the tea, the game could be a good deal sweeter.
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FDEV is not charging its customer base for those though.
Your comparison is not really fair because one team is actually charging for all that. It has been doing that for 7 years and still is. To over a million+ estimated backers and counting. Without even releasing the goods yet. Never mind exposure to gaming press or critic reviews.
While the other team will only start charging most of its customer base once released, or very close to it, including exposure to gaming press reviews and critics, and so most of the market will be able to buy on the very straightforward basis of “what you see is what you get”.
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Some points accepted.
Horizons was paid for, by the consumer, it was meant to be a product released over 4 quaters, which in fact took 2 years, They [fdev] decided to spend a year 'cleaning up' and alongside release 'QoL' improvements.
I could go through each and every one, and show that they were released with bugs and simple lack of QC. But we both know, i'd be wasting my aging fingers
I agree one is reaming every cent they can, and I also beleive there will be a 'day of answering' for the publisher. But in relation to Elite in common is the 'coming soon' type approach meted out by the talking heads.
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This is actually incorrect.
As for the rest of the comment about how FDEV decides to spend their resources and development time I am afraid that is their prerogative and decision. They are not charging you for it unlike CIG, and it is for them to do with their own funds (not crowdfund pledges) as they wish. Once they have a new product they want to sell us, they ll let us know. Absolutely opposite model to CIG.
I suspect it will provide invaluable experience to the creation of animals, but I doubt the models will help us much.
Remember most animals are going to procedurally generated probably in a similar way to how NMS does their animals, but hopefully it will include far more parameters to the PG so that you don't get these ridiculous monstrosities that don't make any logical sense in the game.
But I could be wrong and they can use them, but I suspect not.
Which part isn't true? Horizons added Engineers? Engineers had to be rewritten! And that was recently.. So go on, humour me..
Oh, i agree with that. But its certainly useful, especially on the animation and texturing side.
Ahem.... didn't a certain moderator remind people not long ago to not discuss SC?
A more up to date version of the older games that (to my mind is much better than the older games)? Well, not sure how visionary it needs to be, but its enjoyable for me, so they released it, i've been playing it for years, 3000+ hours.... so, its good for me.
Just to clarify;
Horizons was Launched at GamesCon 2015
https://www.nag.co.za/2015/08/07/ga...ngs-seamless-planetary-landings-and-vehicles/
The 2.4 update [The Return] was delivered September 2017.
You were saying...
Oh I dread to think my total hours in the galaxy of Elite, it's close to yours if not greater, and I still say Astoundingly brilliant graphically, poor everywhere else.
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It was revealed at gamecom, it wasn't released at that date.