I have not written anything else. But it really becomes somehow tirering to discuss this every (second) pack.
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I have not written anything else. But it really becomes somehow tirering to discuss this every (second) pack.
Once again, as far as I can tell this is the first time ElectricMonk has talked about it, it's definitely the first time I've talked about, it's the first time people like Doran or Iben have talked about it. We aren't the same people who fed into hysteria two years ago. The circumstances have changed - claiming it's the same scenario as two years ago is the same thing as referring to it as "doomposting" or whatever.
Nobody thinks you're stupid. I'm sure some people are stupid, but not in this context. Speaking for only myself I just think some of you seem unwilling to accept reality even while seeing it. You all keep saying that seeing talk of the end is "tiring", well, for me, seeing the opposite is far more exhausting and far more prevalent, because we're still getting wishlists for enormous new mechanics, talk of "expansion packs", constant flying bird wishlists, and so on.
Of course anybody is allowed to talk about whatever they want. That also means we can talk about this.
Are you tired that people actually want more features and animals in a game which we all love and want to be supported for as long as possible? So you do not want to see more content? I am confused.
When there will be any reason to think the support is ending, then of course, people will limit their wishes. So far, no indication of it, so I am not sure why any kind of wishlist should be shaken off as "well support ends soon anyways, it is not reasonable to expect that". If anythig, all those wishlists tell Frontier we want to see more. Will it change anything regarding the support lenght? Maybe not, but it certainly cannot hurt.
But fair enough, I think we can agree to disagree, both sides can be tired of the other one I guess.
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No. We all want support to continue for as long as possible but thatās an entirely different question to what we expect will happen. Just because we predict support will end in no way at all implies we want it to end.
That part was more directed to the part when NZFanatic implied that he is tired of people posting endless wishlists. Which is fair, like I said, we can agree to disagree. But why would anyone who wants the support to continue be tired of people who want the same thing and post wishlists? Seems counterproductive to me.
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Itās fine to post wishlists - everyone should feel free to post them as much as they like but pointing out (to take a different example of unrealistic expectations) that an āexpansion packā with 30 birds is unrealistic is totally fair. Equally, lists that assume several years more support (I.e., 9 more packs) is unrealistic tooā¦. Moreover, the number of likely remaining packs influences what I want to be in those packs - 2 more packs means thereās almost no chance of flying birds (IMO) and certainly means not many, whereas 9 more packs means itās pretty likely that weāll get themā¦. If there are only 2 more packs my predictions and wishlists are very different compared with if there are 9.
In any case, predicting fewer packs is not the same as wanting fewer packs, which is what was stated or, at the very least, implied.
I blame JWE2 for that lol, people with their tendency of looking for patterns (that's all it is) think PZ and JWE are analogues despite the two being completely different IPs with unrelated development strategies and limiting factors. It's ever been sooooo annoying to see this and the related PZ2 talk.
As it stands right now, it isn't that realistic to expect support to end, not even in 2024, specially when Frontier is fully aware that they can keep pulling content for the game that is gonna sell well, there are still many highly requested and overall popular species in the community, which also is still very active, not to mention how they are so obviously limiting the number of big sellers on later packs and just started a social media account for the game this very month (like seriously speaking why they would even do this if it wasn't because they are gonna keep supporting the game). Just by checking on steamdb the Oceania pack release had pretty much the same number of players as the Twilight pack last year, the number of players has been very much steady with no clear decline, the game currently sits as #37 in top sellers (wow). Overall, there are more things safely pointing they will continue to support the game than not, and in the end either take is pure speculation because there aren't any solid indicatives for either (except the tiktok maybe), they are both entirely speculative.
Now if you want to "prepare for the worst" and "keep your expectations low" sure you are free to do that, but trying to convince others of it is just tiresome and annoying specially when it is all based on speculation, so many people constantly trying to excuse this theory by shielding themselves on "being realistic" when as much as you may think it is realistic to go for a pessimistic take it doesn't stop being a theory.
And honestly, the end of support is not something scary by itself at all, what makes it "scary" is that there are getting people saying the game might end when it is still missing important animals. Obviously people are gonna feel bad if you think the game is gonna end with, leaving birds aside, a very improvable South American roster, literally 2 long-tailed monkeys, no farm animals and a long etc. of perfectly doable stuff that according to some self-proclaimed down-to-earth people wont happen because ???
That is fair, if you do believe there is 2 more packs (as an example) and want to limit your wishes accordingly then who am I to stop you? In the initial post I just stated that some people, myself included are just tired by those imaginery restrictions, solely because there is no indication of the end as of now (If anything, that Frontier presentation would indicate the other way around).
To be honest I would ignore this whole discussion if there would not be those allusions that people are foolish because they believe support wont ever end. Of course it will end, EVERYONE knows that. But some of us prefer not to limit our wishes for the game because of it.
Edit: Anyway, I feel like we are arguing over nothing. Can we just leave this?
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And another time again. I do NOT say anything about doomposting now and I am NOT meaning a concrete member. I quoted you Yesterday because your posts regularly sound as If you would know more. And at the morning I quoted @ElectricMonk Monk , because I had the feeling that my Post was Not read completely.
And once again. I always repeated that there will be an end. But the time will show when it happens. But it just the case that there are no signs in whatever direction it is going. I cannot see the evidences except that a Planet Game, from which we even do not know If it will be already PC2, comes out at November 2024. And I repeat also my conclusion I made myself two Posts ago.
"We do not know nothing and there are no signs in either direction in my opinion. The only thing we know that there will be an end. Whenever it will be. And If you Take into Account the Last comments about the Game that we can expect at least more content into 2024. Everything else is Just pure speculation.". And it remains pure speculation by me, you, ElectricMonk, Doran and by whatever Forum User here.
Itās not that I want to limit my wishes - itās that I have different wishes depending on the scenario.
Sure.
I do hope so, it's like the 4th time I have seen an argument about this since the summer dlc. It's getting really boring seeing all these opinions about the future of the game stated as 'facts'.
I donāt know why optimism gets confused so much for pure cope. I can be optimistic and acknowledge that support may end anytime. Weāre mostly adults here.
I don't understand why optimism starts an argument. Why can't we all just be optimistic? Being optimistic doesn't mean we for sure know that something's gonna happen, it's more like hoping based off of certain facts, whether it comes to fruition or not.
Being optimistic doesn't hurt anybody, so it's silly to argue about it
We know the game support will end in a moment, but I dont know why all have that doomesque feeling the game will end. I dont think the game will end soon, specially when they opened a tiktok one of the most popular social medias rn(sadly). Its a new spot to attract and catch new fans.
I still say we have at least 1 more year. After that, nada
If they want to attract more players, they should give us some game changing features such as aviary and fully aquatic. Otherwise, the game wonāt last long
I have same feeling, I think we will have five more dlcs
Some people think optimism = stupidity or being unrealistic and being pessimistic = being edgy and intelligent. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
It's a zoo game with virtual animals. It's not exactly high stakes. I enjoy speculating about all the thing this game could include in a perfect world while acknowledging that might not happen. If a few players enjoy talking about how what other people like is invalid and how not wanting to constantly reiterate that the game will end one day (yes, we know)... I guess we all get our stress relief in different ways.
Also when people arbitrarily decided there are no more interesting animals left after the africa pack.