GALNET - 11 AUG 3307 - Aegis Probed by Board of Inquiry

I mean, we tried to geneocide them. That's a truth^^ We failed, but there was an attempt.

Again no. We were fighting a war. We used a weapon. The only weapon we found after extensive testing to have any effect against a Biologically and Technologically superior Foe. With the advanced biological resources of the Thargoids it was a wonder it was effective at all. It was media anti-war propaganda that made it a "Genocidal Weapon" .

As to making peace with them... maybe when we get that diplomacy thing...
 
Well Aegis failures were many, but what about its acomplishments ?
I think for one that without the Eagle Eye intel on the early thargoid raids more people would have been killed. True Eagle Eye of late has proven ineffective, maybe that was on of the reasons why Aegis was looking for more guardian tech.
Anyway after the Alexandria disaster (whatever it might be) most commanders decided to fund the shadowy character know as Salvation (I am quite sure that anyone that calls itself "Salvation", works in the shadows and promises to deliver us from the thargoids is the way to go. Right?) that as of yet delivered nothing but speaches.
As of now it seems the thargoids have stopped their raids and that is our luck as humanity defenses are most certainly down.
 
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A theory is a theory. Doing insterstellar war just for a theory is quite far fetched. Tell all the dead they died because we had a "hunch". Trying to exterminate everything on sight will most likely lead US to be exterminated anyway.
Tell the now extinct human race it died because we had a "hunch" and let the Thargoids live. One option would have been to never get noticed in the first place, but since the Thargoids already know where we are...
 
Tell the now extinct human race it died because we had a "hunch" and let the Thargoids live. One option would have been to never get noticed in the first place, but since the Thargoids already know where we are...
They don't attack unless provoked. If they wanted us destroyed, we would probably be dead. Even now, they barely attack our stuff once in a while, and only when provoked.
They don't want us dead, they don't care. They want us away from their territory.

I say, we keep away from their territory, and go somewhere else in the galaxy. It's not even difficult.
 
Fighting back does not constitute genocide. I always wonder how anytime we fight back against the Thargoids it magically becomes Genocide... War is War
It's interesting that you use the term "fighting back" while also not wanting to get into who started it. "Fighting back" implies it is simply defence, that we are not the aggressors, making it okay. At the same time, you seem aware that the drive to take control of the meta-alloys is a large part of this "war". And each act of Thargoid aggression can be traced back to a prior act of human aggression, with the barnacle destruction being the first in this most recent conflict. Are the Thargoids not allowed to fight back against us?

In truth, it is more complex than that, there are other factors at play. The above is still true, but it's more about the relationship of each individual species with each other, the surface level, and I don't think this is such a simple story that there will be Good and Bad species. Humanity isn't a cohesive whole, and neither are the Thargoids. Looking at the relationships within each species is much more insightful.

For example, the meta alloys stuff is just a simple bit of war profiteering, but there is the other purpose of this war to train us up, to militarize humanity so we are ready for when the actual threat arrives. The elites controlling society decided that an engineered war could do that without having to risk their own power by just revealing their advance intel. That is why this war is happening. And a lot of people have died for that cause, ultimately to protect those in power. So who do you think the real enemy is here? What is the difference between acting out of necessity and acting out of selfishness?
 
It's interesting that you use the term "fighting back" while also not wanting to get into who started it. "Fighting back" implies it is simply defence, that we are not the aggressors, making it okay. At the same time, you seem aware that the drive to take control of the meta-alloys is a large part of this "war". And each act of Thargoid aggression can be traced back to a prior act of human aggression, with the barnacle destruction being the first in this most recent conflict. Are the Thargoids not allowed to fight back against us?

In truth, it is more complex than that, there are other factors at play. The above is still true, but it's more about the relationship of each individual species with each other, the surface level, and I don't think this is such a simple story that there will be Good and Bad species. Humanity isn't a cohesive whole, and neither are the Thargoids. Looking at the relationships within each species is much more insightful.

For example, the meta alloys stuff is just a simple bit of war profiteering, but there is the other purpose of this war to train us up, to militarize humanity so we are ready for when the actual threat arrives. The elites controlling society decided that an engineered war could do that without having to risk their own power by just revealing their advance intel. That is why this war is happening. And a lot of people have died for that cause, ultimately to protect those in power. So who do you think the real enemy is here? What is the difference between acting out of necessity and acting out of selfishness?


Exactly why I said earlier "lets not get into who poked who….” You can make a case both sides are at fault for starting the war… the fact is we are at war… At this point its nothing to do with selfishness... its our systems and people are being attacked and killed. The Thargoids refuse to contact with us so currently diplomacy is useless... Also you seem to be confusing necessity with selfishness... acting out of self-interest (necessity) is the basis of survival... people are dying and thargoids are massing on the borders.... I guess we will find out how things play out .
 
Exactly why I said earlier "lets not get into who poked who….” You can make a case both sides are at fault for starting the war… the fact is we are at war… At this point its nothing to do with selfishness... its our systems and people are being attacked and killed. The Thargoids refuse to contact with us so currently diplomacy is useless... Also you seem to be confusing necessity with selfishness... acting out of self-interest (necessity) is the basis of survival... people are dying and thargoids are massing on the borders.... I guess we will find out how things play out .
Except we are not at war. The Thargoids haven't made any attempt to push through our borders for the longest time. So far, they've been only attacking stations being built in what they consider their territory, and attacking ship carrying guardian tech.
With the superior FSD tech they have, they could, but they don't. Which seems to indicate they are not on the offensive, but on the defensive.

Even when they crossed our borders, didn't we found deliberate act of sabotage to "pull" them to attack ? Human made ?

So, we are not fighting back, we are invading, and they fight back our transgressions. That's a whole lot different.
 
Exactly why I said earlier "lets not get into who poked who….” You can make a case both sides are at fault for starting the war…
Not exactly what I was going for... but if we're going for this angle, what would you say the case for the Thargoids starting the war is?
 
Except we are not at war. The Thargoids haven't made any attempt to push through our borders for the longest time. So far, they've been only attacking stations being built in what they consider their territory, and attacking ship carrying guardian tech.
With the superior FSD tech they have, they could, but they don't. Which seems to indicate they are not on the offensive, but on the defensive.

Even when they crossed our borders, didn't we found deliberate act of sabotage to "pull" them to attack ? Human made ?

So, we are not fighting back, we are invading, and they fight back our transgressions. That's a whole lot different.

Well i suspect a meta reason as to why we havent seen recent thargoid attack… they were building up and the fighting with aegis increased just prior to a certain release date…
As to the not at war… tell that to the refugees from the burning stations or the thousands of people living in the pleiades just waiting for the next Thargoid attack.
 
Not exactly what I was going for... but if we're going for this angle, what would you say the case for the Thargoids starting the war is?

Well obvious reason is they want the pleiades for themselves but since they dont communicate… not really sure of their motives…but they do have a fondness for escape pods… bio experimentation?
 
Well obvious reason is they want the pleiades for themselves but since they dont communicate… not really sure of their motives…but they do have a fondness for escape pods… bio experimentation?
Sorry, I mean what shows them as having started the war, not possible motives for fighting. Their motives can be discussed and revealed to an extent, but that's another topic
 
Sorry, I mean what shows them as having started the war, not possible motives for fighting. Their motives can be discussed and revealed to an extent, but that's another topic
Its easy enough to point to the early conflicts and show that there were attacks from both sides…. I dont care
 
Its easy enough to point to the early conflicts and show that there were attacks from both sides…. I dont care
I'm just asking you to back up your statements. I think you do care about who started it, I mean, it's hard to call them the "Thargoid Menance" if you accepted the idea that maybe humanity is the aggressor.
 
So, the order of events doesn't matter?
It obviously matters to you. Im sure insurance companies love assigning blame…as well as history book authors - but for people in the event… not so much. Its not who starts a war, its who finishes it that matters.
 
It obviously matters to you. Im sure insurance companies love assigning blame…as well as history book authors - but for people in the event… not so much. Its not who starts a war, its who finishes it that matters.
I could attempt to explain how Aegis aren't interested in ending this war, but I don't think you'd care.
 
I could attempt to explain how Aegis aren't interested in ending this war, but I don't think you'd care.
I am sure that Aegis is filled with upstanding individuals from the military industrial complex with a strong desire to provide peace and stability and have no ulterior motives or plans to propagate a galactic war. 😉
 
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