News GalNet - postponing Community Submissions

Ben Ryder

Ben Ryder
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/72-GalNet-News-Submissions

Damn that thread got locked qickly for no reason at all



Dicusson form without the discussion... 'oi playa number two shut it!'


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Sort it out. No such thing as an easy job by definition.

[video=youtube;aXJhDltzYVQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXJhDltzYVQ[/video]
 
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Drelthar

Drelthar
Edward Lewis said:
We will eventually be bringing this back. Ultimately the amount of time that it took to review submissions, and give feedback, didn't quite match up to the number of articles that we were able to publish. We didn't want it to continue being a frustrating experience for those submitting storylines. We don't have a date for when it will be coming back, but we will be bringing it back in the future. We think players being able to tell their story is important, and we love how many of you do this in lots of different ways across other platforms. We'll review the process and let you know when we've come up with a more efficient and effective way of making these work. Sorry if the first post wasn't clear enough!
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Thanks for clarifying. Was pretty needed.
 

Corrigendum

Corrigendum
Hey, Ed, Brett, or whomever from Frontier may looking,

I used to poke the GalNet team whenever I saw a problem with articles, using the old GalNet threads/forum. What would be the best way to do that now?

As an example:
Last month I posted on the GalNet submission forum to raise the concern over local articles in Sol being removed/hidden.

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Unfortunately, when I started that new thread and mentioned the issue in Sol, I did not receive a response, so it remains hidden to me.

Last time this type of thing happened, I was told, "It seems our admin system has started giving each story a one-week lifespan, after which the story is automatically removed. I don't know why, but I have figured out a workaround." I wonder if there might have been a similar glitch that resulted in the majority of Sol's articles being taken down?

Would you be willing to respond here to indicate the issue is on your radar, and when it is sorted? Otherwise, I'll reiterate my question from above: what is the best way to communicate issues with GalNet/Local articles to Frontier going forward?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Martind Forlon

Martind Forlon
Dunno if that was posted somewhere already, but I think this is really worth to be checked by FDev...

[video=youtube_share;MQ-EVbG1uDY]https://youtu.be/MQ-EVbG1uDY[/video]
 

Cmdr-Wotherspoon

Cmdr-Wotherspoon
Ok, we're drifting slightly off-topic, but the news about text to speech Galnet is one of the best bits of news I've heard for a while. Anything that saves us from having to Alt-Tab out of the game, and that makes the in-game Galnet articles more accessible is good.
 

madbilly

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Edward Lewis said:
Hi everyone,

Just a quick note to let you know that we’re postponing community GalNet submissions for the timebeing.

We’ll be looking at reviewing the process in future, but for now we will no longer be accepting submissions.

I'll let you know when we have more opportunities for sharing your narrative and experiences via GalNet.

Many thanks,

Ed

EDIT: We will eventually be bringing this back. Ultimately the amount of time that it took to review submissions, and give feedback, didn't quite match up to the number of articles that we were able to publish. We didn't want it to continue being a frustrating experience for those submitting storylines. We don't have a date for when it will be coming back, but we will be bringing it back in the future. We think players being able to tell their story is important, and we love how many of you do this in lots of different ways across other platforms. We'll review the process and let you know when we've come up with a more efficient and effective way of making these work. Sorry if the first post wasn't clear enough!
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This is sad news.

This is a tongue-in-cheek news article I posted when they changed the submission thread to a closed forum, looks like another one is due:
madbilly said:
In response to the change in GalNet news submissions method, because now we can't read the submissions of others and therefore miss out on a lot of non-official news. This started off as a test for the new submission form and turned into a full blown article.

Title: Pilot's Federation cracks down on freedom of the press

Date: Any time

Location: Shinrarta Dezhra, Kocab

Text:
The Pilot's Federation this week cracked down on the popular practice of freelance journalists publishing draft versions of their articles in public for all to read. The organisation currently holds a monopoly on galactic news publication through it's ownership of the GalNet system, as well as local news boards. Until this week freelance journalists would submit their articles to GalNet via an open forum, where they were available for all to read. A new submission system has been introduced which prevents the draft articles being seen by the public. Many independent journalists claim this is in violation of the principle of press freedom, and must not be allowed.

"The Pilot's Federation have gone too far this time, they're abusing their position as humanity's de facto news provider." explained Cherry Speranza, spokesperson for the Ursa Minor Beta Publishing Corporation. "The previous forum allowed all budding journalists to share stories from around the bubble, whether or not they were selected for publication by GalNet. Now this is not possible, at least officially; the Pilot's Federation have driven the free press underground."

The Pilot's Federation have yet to comment further on the reasons for the changes to GalNet submissions.
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madbilly

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Corrigendum said:
:(

Was it something I said? Or is this one of those, "It's not you, it's me" things? Or is this one of those, "It's not you, it's me (but no, really, it's you)" things? Have you been getting complaints? I've been making efforts not to be inflammatory or cause problems for you guys...

This is a very disappointing piece of news (for me, at least) and I really hope to hear about these new opportunities to contribute to GalNet.

Guess I'll go update my thread with the articles that have been published since that post, and hang the "we're closed" sign. I don't have much use for the forums after that. :'(

Anyway, my email is elite.corrigendum@gmail.com. Always happy to help create content when/if you open this avenue for contribution back up to the community.

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Never mind. That thread is locked, and cannot be edited. :(
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It's your thread, it was probably autolocked due to last post being over 3 months old. You can ask for it to be reopened if you want to.
 

madbilly

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Alec Turner said:
Perhaps we need to submit our stories to Sagittarius Eye?
http://www.sagittariuseyes.com/galactic-magazine.html

Or The Outpost?
http://remlok-industries.fr/4274/the-outpost-87/?lang=en

Or Likedeeler?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/374320-The-Dangerous-Guide-to-the-Galaxy

Errr, no ... maybe not Likedeeler. :p
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Most of the stuff I write might fit best with Likedeeler ;)

EDIT: Sorry for spamming the thread, I'd forgotten that the forum doesn't automerge replies anymore.
 

madbilly

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Martin Schou said:
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me. Let me elaborate on what I have been hoping that FDev would do for a long time.

Currently there are 795 player factions (according to EDDB data) and they are present in 3,549 systems (again, according to EDDB data). If each player faction was allowed to post local articles across all systems they're located in, this would mean that there would be 3,549 systems that could be fed constant player generated news.

Obviously it would be a privilege and not a right, and as such the articles would be screened at random to ensure that they are not breaking various rules (150 to 175 words is easy enough to enforce automatically, other rules not so much), and multiple breaches (or a single one that is bad enough) results in the faction no longer having the privilege of posting to local galnet.

How to manage it? Well, in order to register as a player faction, a forum account is required, which means that there are 795 forum accounts associated with those player factions. Set up a subforum where those accounts (and only those) are allowed to post articles along with a sister forum to discuss the articles (including posting drafts etc), and make it such that the game pulls the articles directly from the first forum into the game.

You already know which forum accounts are connected to which factions, so a post by the Alliance Office of Statistics account would automatically be posted to all the systems that AOS is present in at the time of publication, and if a post is egregious enough, the Alliance Office of Statistics looses the privilege of posting directly to Galnet and instead has to go through the regular process. On the flip side, if an article is interesting enough it can be escalated to be galaxy wide, super power wide (think all Alliance, Empire or Federation systems) or power wide (think all systems controlled, exploited or contested by Edmund Mahon or Arissa Lavigny-Duval).

Seriously - with almost 800 player factions present in more than 3,500 systems, why is FDev manually curating all of the news items for the more than 20,000 populated systems? It makes no sense to do so. FDev should be curating the overarching story line, but let the player groups tell the stories that they're working on every single day. It's completely uninteresting to more than 99.9% of the populated systems what the Alliance Office of Statistics has to say on, for example, the Thargoid situation, but it makes perfect sense to have their views heard in the systems they inhabit.

My way would make for a far more living galaxy than what we see today, and a far more living galaxy than could ever be possible by FDev curating every single article across the galaxy. It would open up entirely new forms of warfare (propaganda warfare in systems where multiple player factions are vying for control for example), and it would make the small player groups feel far more involved in the galaxy, because suddenly their little corner is no longer relegated to only having auto-generated content that is about as interesting to read as the ingredient list on oatmeal.
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This is a great idea. I was thinking of writing something very similar then I read your post, thanks for saving me the time! :D

EDIT:
It's probably a bit ambitious, so here's what I was going to suggest.

1) Set up a new sub-forum called "Local news"
2) All forum accounts who have permission as a nominated member a player group with an in-game faction are permitted to post
3) Each account with access to the forum has one thread and one thread only, therefore one thread per player faction
4) We can't post in other factions' threads, therefore the threads don't degenerate into flame wars
5) Threads are still moderated, so if they break forum rules (and those of the sub-forum) the authors could lose their privileges
6) If anyone takes issue with what's written, then they should take it up in Dangerous Discussion like the rest of the forum PvPers :D

EDIT 2: My thinking is that each faction would have a thread in the forum that is like it's own factions newpaper.

Upsides - easy to implement, obviously faction specific and flamewars go elsewhere
Downsides - it's not in game
 
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Levianova

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Edward Lewis said:
Hi everyone,

Just a quick note to let you know that we’re postponing community GalNet submissions for the timebeing.

We’ll be looking at reviewing the process in future, but for now we will no longer be accepting submissions.

I'll let you know when we have more opportunities for sharing your narrative and experiences via GalNet.

Many thanks,

Ed

EDIT: We will eventually be bringing this back. Ultimately the amount of time that it took to review submissions, and give feedback, didn't quite match up to the number of articles that we were able to publish. We didn't want it to continue being a frustrating experience for those submitting storylines. We don't have a date for when it will be coming back, but we will be bringing it back in the future. We think players being able to tell their story is important, and we love how many of you do this in lots of different ways across other platforms. We'll review the process and let you know when we've come up with a more efficient and effective way of making these work. Sorry if the first post wasn't clear enough!
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Maybe frontier could add a private CG system where its on the news in the home systems of the superpowers and the CG's run for months? like a CG lite sorta thing.
 

Snowymonk

Snowymonk
madbilly said:
This is a great idea. I was thinking of writing something very similar then I read your post, thanks for saving me the time! :D

EDIT:
It's probably a bit ambitious, so here's what I was going to suggest.

1) Set up a new sub-forum called "Local news"
2) All forum accounts who have permission as a nominated member a player group with an in-game faction are permitted to post
3) Each account with access to the forum has one thread and one thread only, therefore one thread per player faction
4) We can't post in other factions' threads, therefore the threads don't degenerate into flame wars
5) Threads are still moderated, so if they break forum rules (and those of the sub-forum) the authors could lose their privileges
6) If anyone takes issue with what's written, then they should take it up in Dangerous Discussion like the rest of the forum PvPers :D

EDIT 2: My thinking is that each faction would have a thread in the forum that is like it's own factions newpaper.

Upsides - easy to implement, obviously faction specific and flamewars go elsewhere
Downsides - it's not in game
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Over in the Dangerous Groups sub forum, there is a persistent (sometimes spiky) discussion thread pushing for more player factions to be introduced. There haven’t been new player factions added since late July / early August. A lot of those waiting having been waiting since April / May. They have been told faction introduction will resume after 2.4 dropped.

If Frontier were to introduce player faction based news, I would expect a big cry of expectation and entitlement from these factions as it would be the extension of the introduced functionality.
 

Alec Turner

Alec Turner
Hey guys ... any news on if and when community submitted Galnet news articles will be making a return? Galnet sure is a dry and dreary place without these!

Really hoping you've got some ideas to re-ignite this process along with the new Galnet Audio feature. The idea of having the news read aloud is great but it's the content that's REALLY important, not the means of content delivery.

o7
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Alec Turner said:
Hey guys ... any news on if and when community submitted Galnet news articles will be making a return? Galnet sure is a dry and dreary place without these!
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Especially since there are some interesting community events happening! Frontier created a special megaship for one such event, but no Galnet article. Well, at least we can keep up-to-date on Powerplay standings, that's something [/sarcasm]
 
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