General / Off-Topic Germany, Netherlands and Switzerland vs Turkey

[Boomer Kay]

A quarter seems a bit exagerated. Well, a lot.

Just my impression (and some alternative poll results), but if Fillon wouldn't cling to his candidacy, any other conservative politician without such a mountain of dishonesty would take Le Pen down. She wouldn't even make it to 2nd round.
It's just the stupid thinking -similar to Hillary Clinton's campaign for the DNC- that people want "more of the same conservative and blatantly corrupt" politics. That clinging to office, when your energy and political capital have long burned out, that Tolkien-like obsession with "the one ring".
Fortunately France has Macron.

 

[Ian Skippy]

A quarter seems a bit exagerated. Well, a lot. I won't deny that she gained some weight, mostly thanks to the socialist (and I'm using the word very loosely here) mandate, but I believe that elections will show -hopefully once and for all- polls true nature: a despicable, unrepresentative, opinion twisting and invading scam, and that the trend should stop.

As for Lepen not manipulating her electors, come on. She manipulates them, alright. Asking Lepen supporters the reasons why they would vote for her often shows how delusional they are, and how disappointed they'd be if their champion was to win the elections.

Le pen is exactly the same breed as Erdogan.

Fwiw: polls, and exit polls, were very close to our results yesterday. So the "its all garbage" notion seems a bit lacking in nuance.

 

[Gédéon_Lecanard]

Fwiw: polls, and exit polls, were very close to our results yesterday. So the "its all garbage" notion seems a bit lacking in nuance.

Then you should lend us your poll companies, because in France, it's indeed garbage 99% of the time. They are so far off most of the time, it's a wonder how they manage to ontain their results. The fact that political polls here tend to favor the contractor of the poll may have something to do with it. That's the reason why I label them as opinion twisting.

 

[Minonian]

Then you should lend us your poll companies, because in France, it's indeed garbage 99% of the time. They are so far off most of the time, it's a wonder how they manage to ontain their results. The fact that political polls here tend to favor the contractor of the poll may have something to do with it. That's the reason why I label them as opinion twisting.

Well... There are the polls, survey-es and how the political situation, and system changes the results. Theory versus practice, i Guess in France the system messed up, because how it done creates chaos.

Love of life. Order? Not so much.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Then you should lend us your poll companies, because in France, it's indeed garbage 99% of the time. They are so far off most of the time, it's a wonder how they manage to ontain their results. The fact that political polls here tend to favor the contractor of the poll may have something to do with it. That's the reason why I label them as opinion twisting.

We're dutch: we dont lend but you can hire them if you wish.

 

[Adept]

Asking Lepen supporters the reasons why they would vote for her often shows how delusional they are, and how disappointed they'd be if their champion was to win the elections.

Le pen is exactly the same breed as Erdogan.

This is 100% correct.

 

[Gédéon_Lecanard]

We're dutch: we dont lend but you can hire them if you wish.

Haha well I guess auto-discrimination is not forbidden on the forums. Still, that's harsh

 

[Iskariot]

Congratulations to these countries to have forbidden the Turkish authorities to make political campaigns. Shame for the France to accept a foreign government to come to Metz to promote its domestic policy. Can you imagine A.Merkel, or T.May, to make campaign in Turkey for domestic elections of the Germany and UK ? (I am a little ashamed of my country, the France, this evening )

I think Erdogan is a disgusting narcissistic uncouth dictator. He is just as mentally unstable as that idiot in Washington.
What is most surprising is that the Turks (just like the Americans did with Trump) fall for his infantile loudmouth posturing and not only do they keep that piece of 'bleep' in power, but they want to give him even more.

Turkey is becoming sicker and sicker. A majority of the turks do not even begin to understand what democracy is about.
They think that if you get democratically elected you then should use the system to oppress and terrorize minorities and all opposition.
You see this happening in many countries who don't get it.
Democracy is not a system to empower majorities. It is a system that can only exist if it protects minorities.

Turkey should not be allowed into the EU for many decades to come.
Too many questionable and corrupt countries have already been allowed in.
It is one of the reasons why popular support for the EU is evaporating.

 

[Adept]

A majority of the turks do not even begin to understand what democracy is about.

Careful now. You don't have the data to make such a claim. You can't make the claim that a majority of Turks would support Erdogan, and even if they did, there can be many reasons for that. Stereotypes are a nasty thing to bandy about.

Turkey should not be allowed into the EU for many decades to come.
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It is one of the reasons why popular support for the EU is evaporating.

Turkey was never going to be able to join unless it becomes a modern, functioning democracy. Support for the EU is actually quite high all over, but disinformation such as "next year Turkey will join" has indeed harmed it. Don't be one of those spreading such rubbish.

 

[Ashnak]

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As for Turkey: EU stands behind the Netherlands so far against Erdogan's hysterical provocations. The last few days he's called us s, a banana-republic, accused us of actively 'slaughtering thousands of muslims' and so on. He can go suck a lemon.

Nah, they're squeezing oranges instead: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/tuerkei-protest-gegen-die-niederlande-mit-orangen-und-kuehen-a-1138993.html

Oh, and sending back Holstein cows (ok, starts with an H, and everyone knows that cows are from Holland) and burn French flags (well, they're also red, white and blue...).

You'd have to laugh if it wasn't so serious.

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Meanwhile, I'm only waiting for what they will come up with as a reiteration of the Reichstagsbrand (one event that historically triggered the rise of that austrian painter as a politician) - and whether he considers the turkish people currently living in other countries as a fifth column or expendable

 

[Patrick_68000]

A quarter seems a bit exagerated. Well, a lot. I won't deny that she gained some weight, mostly thanks to the socialist (and I'm using the word very loosely here) mandate, but I believe that elections will show -hopefully once and for all- polls true nature: a despicable, unrepresentative, opinion twisting and invading scam, and that the trend should stop.

As for Lepen not manipulating her electors, come on. She manipulates them, alright. Asking Lepen supporters the reasons why they would vote for her often shows how delusional they are, and how disappointed they'd be if their champion was to win the elections.

Le pen is exactly the same breed as Erdogan.

You know well that the Le Pen currently is 25-26% in the first round. And it is true that the majority of the voters of Le Pen, vote not by conviction but by rejection of the other candidates

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Just my impression (and some alternative poll results), but if Fillon wouldn't cling to his candidacy, any other conservative politician without such a mountain of dishonesty would take Le Pen down. She wouldn't even make it to 2nd round.

She was already in the lead before the Fillon affair

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I think Erdogan is a disgusting narcissistic uncouth dictator. He is just as mentally unstable as that idiot in Washington.
What is most surprising is that the Turks (just like the Americans did with Trump) fall for his infantile loudmouth posturing and not only do they keep that piece of 'bleep' in power, but they want to give him even more.

Turkey is becoming sicker and sicker. A majority of the turks do not even begin to understand what democracy is about.
They think that if you get democratically elected you then should use the system to oppress and terrorize minorities and all opposition.
You see this happening in many countries who don't get it.
Democracy is not a system to empower majorities. It is a system that can only exist if it protects minorities.

Turkey should not be allowed into the EU for many decades to come.
Too many questionable and corrupt countries have already been allowed in.
It is one of the reasons why popular support for the EU is evaporating.

I could not say better

 

[Minonian]

A quarter seems a bit exagerated. Well, a lot. I won't deny that she gained some weight, mostly thanks to the socialist (and I'm using the word very loosely here) mandate, but I believe that elections will show -hopefully once and for all- polls true nature: a despicable, unrepresentative, opinion twisting and invading scam, and that the trend should stop.

As for Lepen not manipulating her electors, come on. She manipulates them, alright. Asking Lepen supporters the reasons why they would vote for her often shows how delusional they are, and how disappointed they'd be if their champion was to win the elections.

Le pen is exactly the same breed as Erdogan.

Yeppers.

 

[Patrick_68000]

When you speak openly against Erdogan you can end up in jail and almost surely lose your job (and not find another)
I can imagine that will make a flag or 2 wave a little harder

Anyway, Erdogan is using the oldest trick in the book: tell "the people" everybody is against them and they will all support you vigorously.
So make the EU against you and you can do whatever you want. Putin does the same thing.

Yes I agree with you but I think that the Turkish people is more informed on the outside world than the people of North Korea

 

[Patrick_68000]

Erdogan said Saturday that a "Yes" to the referendum on strengthening his powers would mark a "breaking point" with Europe. "What is meant by that ? If the yes vote prevails in the referendum, the European Union will not accept us. Ah! If only they could make such a decision ! This would simplify the task" Erdogan told in a speech to Antalya.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Erdogan said Saturday that a "Yes" to the referendum on strengthening his powers would mark a "breaking point" with Europe. "What is meant by that ? If the yes vote prevails in the referendum, the European Union will not accept us. Ah! If only they could make such a decision ! This would simplify the task" Erdogan told in a speech to Antalya.

Its just a populist thing to say: EU can ofcourse make such a decision, and Erdogan knows it. Its just the Strong Leader being Mighty towards Evil EU, trying to get votes for his powergrab at home. I thought you'd appreciate such baseless anti-EU rhetoric a bit more?

 

[Arry]

Its just a populist thing to say: EU can ofcourse make such a decision, and Erdogan knows it. Its just the Strong Leader being Mighty towards Evil EU, trying to get votes for his powergrab at home. I thought you'd appreciate such baseless anti-EU rhetoric a bit more?

He can't really vilify most of the E.U. one week and then claim to want to be a part of it, the next.