Bob Lighthouse
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i said this the other day, possibly here not sure, however Gerald Ratner thought the same thing...................
Except that is pretty much always what commercials do, and large corporations pandering to the flavor of the day is of all ages. Jenner is correct; every time the 'flavor of the day' happens to be something that can vaguely be perceived as offensive to a 'dominant' group the outrage is always excessive. Plenty of comments show that as well. It is for many not about 'pandering' but "I MYSELF AS A DUDE AM NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!".
Well, thanks for sharing, Mr. Insecure.
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I assure you i am not insecure about the fact whether or not i am a sexual predator or a bully. I know exactly where I see myself on that score............
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
I didn't say that they were motivated by pure altruism. I said that a good message can arise from an ad that is meant to promote sales.
Disagree. The backlash is indeed about hurt male ego, and frankly I'm surprised that so many guys are apparently so insecure on this issue and so quick to take personal offense. When I see this ad I think "Yeah...I'm glad I'm not like that. I try to raise my kid well and I hope I have the strength to stand up for what's right when I have to." I'm not thinking "OMG how dare they insinuate that I'm part of the problem! Why does Gillette hate men so much?"
(And really - I think we'd all be well served to consider the possibility that we as men may not always realize when we're being sexist. Let's face it - man have been running the show in Western society for a long time. Is it really a stretch to think that maybe men have become so used to that dynamic that we don't always recognize when we're sexist? Just a thought.)
The point they're trying to make is not to put you in the same boat as the dude on the corner who catcalls at passing women. The point is that all men should be positive role models and take a public stand against sexist and abusive behavior.
Again - I fail to see why this message is bad.
Bob Lighthouse
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No, it's actually my security that allows me to call that farce what it is.
It's pandering.
It's weakness and fear that makes people just fall in lockstep behind a blatant ploy.
That goes for being "right" as well.
Did you stop beating your wife because of the Gillette ad?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Bob Lighthouse
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Do you understand what a logical fallacy is?
Please stop beating your wife Jenner!
Wot?
U mad?
U must be wife beater!
Just stop it you inhumane pony!
Okay, so can anyone explain why we are having this discussion about this ad in specific? Is it really just a coincidence that this forum full of dudes gets outraged about this specific pandering ad? And it really has nothing to do at all with the topic being dudes?
Odd. And unlikely, I'd say.
Odd. And unlikely, I'd say.
I dont think many even get the message, at all. You see it in how people respond to you.
Did you actually read what he said? The ad doesnt call you a wifebeater. Jenner doesnt call you a wifebeater. Noone calls you a wifebeater. But seeing the mere suggestion that some dudes are wifebeaters immediately triggers some defense mechanism on people apparantly.
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Damn. Piers Morgan says he will boycott Gillette.
Now I'm really conflicted.
Also, you're all using big words now.
Now I'm really conflicted.
Also, you're all using big words now.
Now there 'is' a misogynistic bully, feeling offended by said add.Damn. Piers Morgan says he will boycott Gillette.
Now I'm really conflicted.
Also, you're all using big words now.
Dunno if you have seen the new Gillette razor advert. When i 1st saw it i really did not like it.... but i could not put my finger on why.
i have no problem with the message in principle, (obviously i do not think men should assault women or stand there laughing whilst their kid knocks 10 bells out of another kid
My 1st problem is just think it is naff all to do with the product and, i dunno it just seems a bit cringing to me <shrugs>. I dont think a platform which is being used to sell something is the place to make the point...... Buy expensive Gillette razors and show the world you are not a misogynistic prat... or dont and you are condoning sexism and bullying......
but i think my main issue is it is building a massive strawman. I DONT think 99.9% of men are bullies or walk around groping woman and I DO think anyone who does needs reprimanding... and what is wrong with seeing a woman and going to talk to her. the impulse body spray adverts of a couple of years ago actively encouraged women to buy the product so that they may get the attention of men to talk to them.... its obviously a rubbish advert and body spray would not do that, but since when was talking to a lady you thought seemed nice a crime or something to stop.
and also, its so obvious as well... even the black guy who stops his white mate from talking to the lady... that colour demographic was no mistake either imo.
and incase you have no idea what i am on about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0
so what do you reckon..... important advert bringing to light an issue that men really need to address of themselves or a poor taste marketing campaign trying to cash in on somethign which isnt even true 99% of the time?
but hey its ok, if i am a misogynistic pig I need not worry, i will buy some Gillette razor blades and all will be fine
Real men don't shave anyway, and when we do... it's with modern technology.
They can come back when they get the vibroblades right.
And no way am I trying a laser based razor.
I can just see the beard going up in flames...
Don't worry guys - I think I've got this one!
Is it - because it's the topic of the thread?
I'm not seeing a whole lot of outrage in this thread tbh either.
Damn. Piers Morgan says he will boycott Gillette.
Now I'm really conflicted.
Also, you're all using big words now.
Well he is a pro rager after all - it's his job.
The ad was designed to trigger people like him - he does his bit to trigger all the pro ragers - who trigger the amateur ragers - and so it goes round and round.
It's a perfect triggering circle!
How should we men respond. Oh - that's right. You're not a man so you don't have the right to say anything about male-related topics. Did I get that right - the whole left strategy of devaluing opinions of the special protected class being criticized by individuals that are not members of the special protected class?
Maybe.
Can't say I'm massively upset or anything but the Gilette ad isn't in isolation. Maybe I should avoid Twitter from now on but it seems like this is just the latest in a long string of implied associations of maleness being equated with toxicity. It's cool that it's becoming so accepted that companies feel they can now jump on it and use it as a sales tactic.
We can all pick out negative traits in other people and then generalise it into huge swathes of population.
Not that I bought Gilette anyway but I'll pass thanks, it's not a "theme/image" I really want to be associated with. Really not into the white male therefore bad bandwagon.
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Bob Lighthouse
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I am just mocking your perspective.
Calling it a "defense" mechanism suggests exactly that.
I'm not defensive, I think it's ridiculous!
Make better, cheaper razors, you absolute morons.
It's a "feel goodism", at best.
It's silly virtue signalling and I reject that on principle.
Jacques d'Orleans
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More and more I think that in the USA national chronic outrage is as popular as Football or Baseball.
Has a national chronic outrage fatigue aready been invented? I see some good business opportunities in that, specially for Pfizer etc.
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