Glorious PC Master Race, or is it?

Riktar

Riktar
Lysander lysan said:
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Around station and outposts its around 58 C, on planets close to large settlements I'm at 70 C.
Asteroid fields same as Stations 58 - 60 C

So to my fellow PC / XB owners, what are your heat levels and do you see any changes on the heat curves from patch to patch?
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My System:

Asus P6X58D-E running a Xeon X5650 @ 4Ghz (Old but reliable :) )
XFX R9 290 DD with a Arctic Acceler0 Hybrid III-140 (Water cooling on the GPU, air cooling on VRM's)
16GB DDR3

Display is a LG 34UM57-P at 2560x1080 75Hz refresh so I have my target FPS set to 75

So I just did a quick 15 minute flight from a station to a planetary outpost and back to a station.

Max heat levels were as follows:
CPU: 46C
GPU: 54C
VRM1: 52C
VRM2: 65C

Framerates (with ultra settings) stay at 75 most times. The lowest they get is the mid 50's in normal space or inside stations. In supercruise I am around 70 (+/- 5), depending on how many ships/planets are around me. I verified this by going back to the recording in PlaysTV (I always have it running when in Elite) and checking the frame counter across the timeline.

Since my monitor has freesync enabled, I never notice the difference between 55 - 75 since the freesync range is 45-75fps.
Then again, maybe it's my 59 year old eyes not being able to distinguish,,,,,,,,,,,, :p

I have not noticed much of a difference across the patches from Frontier. The biggest thing that improved my performance was the 16.1 hotfix from AMD.....
 
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Salami

Salami
Lysander lysan said:
In ED we did notice, when ED was released in 2014, it could run on a potato or a Abacus. Today with Horizons that is not the case anymore.
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You're not supposed to play CD's on old tin boxes either, those are meant to play them stone records.
Potatoes then again are not meant to play a heavy graph game fully open, either.

The heat is generated over both CPU and GPU (worse on AMD).
Solving it, can be something quite simple if you're lucky enough to have the right case: 1 or more fans in the front, 1 or more in the back, running reversed.
Meaning you blow cold air in and fan out heath in the back.
Or the way around, whatever you prefer...
This would be the simplest and cheapest solution, I guess.

As to what my levels are?
Not a clue, not interested in that either.
I NEVER ran a boosted system, so...
Never ever had issues with temperature.
 

Bran Tse Mallory

Bran Tse Mallory
Conch said:
Thats hard to say, they look the same to me TBH.
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And so they should apart from some sharpness due to filtering. The order is PS4, XB1, PC. I chose this image on purpose to show that for FO4 there is no difference in the textures used. Only lighting, filtering and LoD are different.

The recent survey of GPU's used by ED players on PC showed that, out of those who took part, many of them do not have a GPU as powerful as that inside the Xb1 so for ED although the PC version has the ability to go higher than a console in terms of fancy effects it is always down to the actual hardware.

This is where the PC master race argument always falls over IMO. The new consoles are both PC's, custom built to do the job of playing games. While the PC's we play on have to be able to cope with any kind of task we throw at them, retain compatibility across all the different part makers and of course run Windows/Linux/OSX etc. Meanwhile the Xb1 and PS4 have stable hardware builds which developers will leverage more and more from over the coming years, just as happened with all the previous consoles and even the Amiga/C64 early 80's computers.

One thing neither console can do though is warm up a room quite as fast as a good old PC... with new parts of course!
 

bootsam

bootsam
They cant run keyboards and mices either BTM. If they did, theyd be unstoppable. I'd forget all about PC's for the convenience they offer.
 

Conch

Conch
Bran Tse Mallory said:
And so they should apart from some sharpness due to filtering. The order is PS4, XB1, PC. I chose this image on purpose to show that for FO4 there is no difference in the textures used. Only lighting, filtering and LoD are different.

The recent survey of GPU's used by ED players on PC showed that, out of those who took part, many of them do not have a GPU as powerful as that inside the Xb1 so for ED although the PC version has the ability to go higher than a console in terms of fancy effects it is always down to the actual hardware.

This is where the PC master race argument always falls over IMO. The new consoles are both PC's, custom built to do the job of playing games. While the PC's we play on have to be able to cope with any kind of task we throw at them, retain compatibility across all the different part makers and of course run Windows/Linux/OSX etc. Meanwhile the Xb1 and PS4 have stable hardware builds which developers will leverage more and more from over the coming years, just as happened with all the previous consoles and even the Amiga/C64 early 80's computers.

One thing neither console can do though is warm up a room quite as fast as a good old PC... with new parts of course!
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LALALALALA i cant hear you over my two titans and triple monitors?!

but kidding aside, i believe you when saying that they use the same textures and such.
i can only talk about the Xbone, cause i owned one. but its not so great as allot of people say it is.

but being the masterrace is also just escalated joke, and people just ran with it.
its a bit like religions, fighting eachother to proof they are the ones that are right..
 

Zelos1983

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Bran Tse Mallory said:
This is where the PC master race argument always falls over IMO. The new consoles are both PC's, custom built to do the job of playing games. While the PC's we play on have to be able to cope with any kind of task we throw at them, retain compatibility across all the different part makers and of course run Windows/Linux/OSX etc. Meanwhile the Xb1 and PS4 have stable hardware builds which developers will leverage more and more from over the coming years, just as happened with all the previous consoles and even the Amiga/C64 early 80's computers.
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I interpret the "Master Race" argument differently:
Until the mid/end 90ies, we had a plethora of appliances for gaming (consoles, home computers), watching TV (SAT receiver, VCR, separate TV), music (LP, CD, tuner, AMP, cassette deck..) and each of them had to be mastered individually.

Starting Mid-90ies, the PC started to consolidate everything and provide a reasonable abstraction between common hardware that is needed to run the system in general, and specialized hardware for the task (e.g. media PC with DVB-S card for TV and SPDIF for connection to amp). We also started to have an abstraction between operating system and applications, so you could configure your stack (HW, OS, Applications) as you wanted.

Today, there are those who have mastered common PC technology and have a relatively stable, easy-to-manage and low-TCO home IT environment consisting of standardized parts and solutions, and those who failed to master it and still stick to a plethora of appliances (including consoles, tablets, proprietory set-top boxes, home-routers, smart tvs and DRM-polluted offerings such as Netflix or Amazon TV).
 

Jon flint

Jon flint
I'm a bit lost with this thread.

Im no fan the term "pc master race" but what do gpu heat levels have to do with anything??

Some GPUs are just designed to run hotter than others, ati generally run hotter than nvidia. How does that have any impact on anything?!?


Sorry if I've misunderstood, I'm not bashing the OP, I'm just generally confused!

Either way, with a mid level gaming rig (i74790/gtx970/16Gb ram/ssd/win10) I get temps of 49-55 degrees c in space and in stations. 66-70 on planets surfaces. Gpu load goes from 35% in space to 90-99% on a planet. Of course this is all dependant on resolution/settings and targeted fps.

If I change my fps limit to 30 (like xb1) then everything will drop accordingly.
 
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Hurricane Moon

Banned
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bootsam said:
They cant run keyboards and mices either BTM. If they did, theyd be unstoppable. I'd forget all about PC's for the convenience they offer.
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actually i hate to admit it but they can...during my console years i had them all,but on the ps3 i had a mouse and keyboard plugged into it,i also had a linux os on it called ubuntu..some hidden power in those cells on that console.
 

Frank

Frank
Conch said:
LALALALALA i cant hear you over my two titans and triple monitors?!
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The excessively loud cooling fans is something with which I can put up, if it means a better gaming experience.

I've only got the one GTX980 and that's loud enough. Two Titans must be deafening <grin>
 
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shadragon

shadragon
Zelos1983 said:
Today, there are those who have mastered common PC technology and have a relatively stable, easy-to-manage and low-TCO home IT environment consisting of standardized parts and solutions, and those who failed to master it and still stick to a plethora of appliances (including consoles, tablets, proprietory set-top boxes, home-routers, smart tvs and DRM-polluted offerings such as Netflix or Amazon TV).
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Then there are some of us who don't give a toss about TCO and build our own rigs from the best components we can buy for the pure unadulterated performance (and moreover control of that hardware). Instead of buying a console designed by accountants, built from lowest bidder Chinese components, we get name brand top-of-the-line pieces that will perform to a much higher standard. :D
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
Jon flint said:
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Beyond potentially being some change to measure, for some hardware, I agree that it isn't a very useful measurement.

As I stated, my GPUs don't change temperature as they're dynamically clocked to hold at the temperature I set them, and they're always loaded more than what ED: H can load them to, using VSync, since they're always busy crunching for scientific and humanitarian research in the background.

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That PCs have a much higher potential at rendering game graphics than consoles is obvious, but it doesn't mean that consoles aren't good enough for some people either. There's nothing really to discuss about that further, so I don't understand why people seem to be bothering to here.
 

Wotthe Dickens

Wotthe Dickens
Commander Biscuit said:
/snip ..I happen to have a dreamcatcher hanging behind the console, and the heat that comes out of the back rises up the wall and causes the feathers to flap around quite a bit when playing ED..\snip.
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Love it! Who needs afterburner! I like low tech solutions :) my pot plant behind my pc does a little rustle when at stations, full on hurricane impression when on planets :-D
 

lysan

lysan
Jon flint said:
I'm a bit lost with this thread.

Im no fan the term "pc master race" but what do gpu heat levels have to do with anything??

Some GPUs are just designed to run hotter than others, ati generally run hotter than nvidia. How does that have any impact on anything?!?


Sorry if I've misunderstood, I'm not bashing the OP, I'm just generally confused!

Either way, with a mid level gaming rig (i74790/gtx970/16Gb ram/ssd/win10) I get temps of 49-55 degrees c in space and in stations. 66-70 on planets surfaces. Gpu load goes from 35% in space to 90-99% on a planet. Of course this is all dependant on resolution/settings and targeted fps.

If I change my fps limit to 30 (like xb1) then everything will drop accordingly.
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Well, take a look at the picture in my @OP :D it was a just a joke regarding all the issues we have to go through to be "master".

The heat would be a good indicator of the load on the GPU, as I explained I have locked my FPS to 60, and the only way I can check where the GPU is under a load are by measuring the heat output. I also wondered how much heat the consoles was producing because I was curious due to a comparison of the two different platforms. Power consumption would also be a good indicator for sure.
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
Lysander lysan said:
Well, take a look at the picture in my @OP :D it was a just a joke regarding all the issues we have to go through to be "master".

The heat would be a good indicator of the load on the GPU, as I explained I have locked my FPS to 60, and the only way I can check where the GPU is under a load are by measuring the heat output. I also wondered how much heat the consoles was producing because I was curious due to a comparison of the two different platforms. Power consumption would also be a good indicator for sure.
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I use EVGA's OC Scanner X to measure GPU loads, clock rates, temps, memory load, etc. Maybe you can get GPU load from GPUZ or some other free app. like that?

This is on one of the earlier releases of Horizons when I got SLI working for it manual before it was natively supported by Nvidia drivers and without running most of my normal background GPU tasks. ↓

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Conch

Conch
Frank said:
The excessively loud cooling fans is something with which I can put up, if it means a better gaming experience.

I've only got the one GTX980 and that's loud enough. Two Titans must be deafening <grin>
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I just deal with it. But i have seen some nice 980 hybrid kits that fit the titan x to.
 
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