Why did you join in the first place if the rules have no meaning for you? Are you infiltrator number 2?
Going against your own word - "infiltrators" please note
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Why did you join in the first place if the rules have no meaning for you? Are you infiltrator number 2?
Bob Lighthouse
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The person in question is being very straightforward about the wide sweeping generalization. (see below)
The examples are precisely to highlight that specific absurdity.
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Bob Lighthouse
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That's not an ad hominem and your "facts" are just equivocation and obfuscation.
You can state something true and still be full of it.
I know a few people who are mainly part of Mobius, so I keep my options open for when I want to play with them. I sent a request to join the group, and was accepted without questions.
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So did you read the Mobius Policy e.g.
The group's goal is to provide players with an environment to play Elite: Dangerous in a full multiplayer world without having the experience spoiled by non-consensual PvP, ganking, domination, abuse or anti-social behaviour.
To achieve this, all members agree to abide to the rules listed below while playing online in the "Mobius" private group. Of course, the rules apply only to sessions inside the group
And continue to join the group as defined by their 'rules' in order to play with the friends in that group, or decide that as their policy isn't one laid down by the game developers it doesn't matter anyway?
Just curious as you haven't actually stated that your intention was to 'break' their rules, just that FDev haven't written such in stone
(and that there is so much 'distrust' flying around that even a harmless comment could be misinterpreted!)
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Well, yeah. I already said that. But that doesnt mean it is anything more than annoying. Just because it 'isnt valid' or 'not okay' doesn't mean it is deserving of massive outrage nor makes it a horrible event the likes mankind has never seen. This stuff isn't 'sacrosanct', there is no holy agreement between players. The OP is full of ridiculous hyperbole. For the record, OP has been going on about this for years. And exactly one dude did this in DWE2, and he was kicked out. And OP is immediately right back to his crusade.
yes, one dude did something mildly annoying. He was then removed from the PG. That is all there is to it.
I like this Ian fellow. He understands!
What are you going on about?
When did I ever mention "punishment" or appealling to frontier. You're making things up now. Build me a straw man and then knock it down...
As a member of Mobius - yes, you have given your agreement to no PvP. That's the condition you agree to be bound by. Feel free to look it up yourself.
Ignorance is no excuse. You should familiarise yourself with the rules prior to joining the PG.
Sneer away all you want. Doesn't change fact.
All I said was that as a player who has agreed to the condition of no PvP in order to gain access to a PG, if that agreement has been entered into with the premeditated intent not to stick with that agreement then it is an incontrovertible fact that the player who does this is not trustworthy. End of. I never mentioned punishment. I never made judgement whether a lie is "bad". I made no moralising judgement or moralisation. It is simply a cold and impassionate observation that a lie had been deliberately told. Deliberately and with forethought. By the player. (Not their character in game).
Dispute at your leisure, but know that you will never be able to subvert the absolute truth of what I just said.
That is all.
Ciao for now
Mark H
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Plus, if you look at the problem from a broader perspective, "Mobius" and other private groups are just a classical example of users using a feature in a non-intended way. A feature which was probably intended to allow friends to play together, easing instance pains etc. is used as a crutch to "implement" PvE. It's even in the name... "PRIVATE group". Not "Open to all group with rules". But as I remember wings came into the game much further than the modes, so... this is one of the many placeholders which actually stuck.
Oh and also... FDev could implement the PvP flag already. Seriously, this is going on for so long that I am beginning to suspect they crave the controversy and call it "player engagement and being passionate" just to fool people. Whatever, I don't really care, but seriously... Brabi pls.
Oh and also... FDev could implement the PvP flag already. Seriously, this is going on for so long that I am beginning to suspect they crave the controversy and call it "player engagement and being passionate" just to fool people. Whatever, I don't really care, but seriously... Brabi pls.
Rubbish. Big words don't lend you any more ability to subvert incontrovertible facts. *Fact*
Purposefully going out of your way to infiltrate a Non-PvP Player Group with the intention of PKing should get you banned honestly.
As carebearish as I am even I agree that, Open is fair game and live by that, but going out of your way to apply to, be accepted to a Player Group to grief is you being a dik and raining on other people's parade.
This isnt like Open Play in that case, I will defend your right to play as you want even if you want to play as a not nice person. That's defendable.
But doing this, no, can't get behind it, sorry, you should be banned, period.
As carebearish as I am even I agree that, Open is fair game and live by that, but going out of your way to apply to, be accepted to a Player Group to grief is you being a dik and raining on other people's parade.
This isnt like Open Play in that case, I will defend your right to play as you want even if you want to play as a not nice person. That's defendable.
But doing this, no, can't get behind it, sorry, you should be banned, period.
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One doesn't keep reiterating 15 pages later about something unless they have some personal stake in it. You have some personal emotion about this topic or you wouldn't have bothered to continue responding. This is not an 'informational' thread. This is a persuasive thread. You want people to behave a certain way in a PVE group. You want people to have honest intentions when they sign up and continue to abide by the rules of the PVE group as they play. You don't have to yell and scream and use all CAPS to have an emotion. Nor are emotions bad things. Emotions are as valid as logic.
But according to what you wrote, you believe that people who lie to get into a PVE group so they can wreak havoc are also untrustworthy in life.
Well, I believe that people who claim they are merely presenting a fact , yet keep defending that 'fact' page after page are disingenuous, dishonest and .... well... untrustworthy. And according to what you've said in the thread, if you're untrustworthy in one facet of life you are therefore untrustworthy in all facets of life.
Because there are no shades of gray in life, you must necessarily be a totally dishonest person. It is black. and. white. Fact! What you do with this information is up to you.
Btw, what's your answer when the wife says, "Do these pants make me look fat?"
I agree to a point but in the other sides defense, lying and defrauding a situation with the explicit purpose of ruining others game play doesnt exactly give me a good first impression of a person.
It makes them seem untrustworthy and a bit of a sadist honestly.
Given the anonymity of the internet it allows people to interact with others in a consequence free environment, so if your first reaction is to be a sadist or a liar or what have you as your interaction of choice, it's only fair that I question your "goodness" as a person. I mean think about it, out of ALL the way there is to interact to people thats what you choose to do, it speaks volumes actually.
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I feel that people should not join a group for the purpose of being a moron inside that group. I assume that is the point the OP wants to get across. The 'fact' is people are jerks and are going to do it anyway. You can shame them but I don't think that really works. What does work is FD removing the possibility of PVP inside a PVE only environment.
I'm not sure why the OP is pretending to be a disinterested party who is 'just publishing facts' when obviously he is quite interested in this topic.
I find black and white thinking fascinating and it's fun to debate. I find the OP's use of absolutes interesting as well. Nobody can debate his Facts because he says so. lol. Absurd.
You may question someone's goodness as a person, but like someone else said, who cares what other anonymous people think? If I don't like you, do you care? If I say, "You're funny lookin'" will that make you question your appearance? I bet not. The OP is just trying to shame the unshameable into doing what he wants. Nothing wrong with that. Seems futile to me, however.
One doesn't keep reiterating 15 pages later about something unless they have some personal stake in it. You have some personal emotion about this topic or you wouldn't have bothered to continue responding. This is not an 'informational' thread. This is a persuasive thread. You want people to behave a certain way in a PVE group. You want people to have honest intentions when they sign up and continue to abide by the rules of the PVE group as they play. You don't have to yell and scream and use all CAPS to have an emotion. Nor are emotions bad things. Emotions are as valid as logic.
But according to what you wrote, you believe that people who lie to get into a PVE group so they can wreak havoc are also untrustworthy in life.
Well, I believe that people who claim they are merely presenting a fact , yet keep defending that 'fact' page after page are disingenuous, dishonest and .... well... untrustworthy. And according to what you've said in the thread, if you're untrustworthy in one facet of life you are therefore untrustworthy in all facets of life.
Because there are no shades of gray in life, you must necessarily be a totally dishonest person. It is black. and. white. Fact! What you do with this information is up to you.
Btw, what's your answer when the wife says, "Do these pants make me look fat?"
It doesn't need to be a binary issue.
Someone who lies to gain an artificial advantage in a video game isn't necessarily a habitual liar, but they are happy to lie whenever it suits them or they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
Other people wouldn't do it at all.
That's the difference.
would be interesting to see a "control panel" of sorts by the PG owner, PvP switch and some other tweakables, like hmm, No engineering, so PGs could turn off engineering boosts to create truly "pure" gameplay. Another tweakable, Insurance (.5, 1.0. 2.0, and None( Meaning Ironman mode, you lose the ship permanently.)) etc.
not an exhaustive list just a few examples.
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Bob Lighthouse
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Hahaha...
Ok.
Ur doing it again.
It's not rubbish just because you say "Rubbish!"
Context matters and you've been given multiple examples by multiple people.
You're just being obtuse now.
*Fact.*
There's even a term for what you're doing:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/220/Argument-by-Pigheadedness
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Thats not true either. People consider the seriousness of their actions, and to many computer games are as trivial a context as it gets. You may disagree, but that is a different discussion.
Not before I gave my 2 cents
player group IS a dedicated PvE mode if the group owner decides it is. If someone ignores the rules, you can kick him or her out of the said group.
Stop asking for features that might add dev time that is much more needed elsewhere like fixing the damn netcode to increase the overall stability of the game, be it in Open, PG or even Solo.
Damn guys... are y'all so insecure about yourself that your ego gets blasted when you lose a few pixels due to some internet kid wrecking your stuff? grow up dammit.
Its miles away from being a proper dedicated PVE mode. It should have been there from the start.
This thread is very enlightening.
Loads of crap from the very same people who used to whine about how logging was immoral, and rule breaking, and betraying some sacred oath.
Time to be proactive and start using the block function, since lots of dense kids doesn't seem to get the "I don't wanna play with you" message in their skulls.
Loads of crap from the very same people who used to whine about how logging was immoral, and rule breaking, and betraying some sacred oath.
Time to be proactive and start using the block function, since lots of dense kids doesn't seem to get the "I don't wanna play with you" message in their skulls.