"Real" economy isn't possible as there are NPCs selling multiple times more than human commanders. As players are small fraction of economy simulator, few commanders flying around with 5B are really not a big issue. It was FD mistake after all with refunding. They tried to handle it best way they could.
Gradually Losing Respect for Frontier Development - Here is Why
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"Real" economy isn't possible as there are NPCs selling multiple times more than human commanders. As players are small fraction of economy simulator, few commanders flying around with 5B are really not a big issue. It was FD mistake after all with refunding. They tried to handle it best way they could.
To be fair you can't claim "or in the future" as we don't know FD's plans nor the extent of the background simulator. Player actions I know are tracked and periodically a system will change state (Famine / War / Allegiance / Boomtown / etc - see DDF Article on the BG sim for a potential glimpse into what it does) - if this can be done by trading I don't know.
At any rate, even if trading did affect a system in some manner it's of little consequence right now to the players - that's also a sobering thought : If you aligned with the Federation for example and your favourite spot turns Empire (boo!) then there are countless other worlds to pick from.
The green part I highlighted is also partially incorrect - there was talk from DB himself that said player owned assets in the future could be implemented. If so, your credits will mean something, but I also add by that time there will be far more billionaires than the current 50 or so
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You have chosen the path of submission to unfair decisions. Of course the community could make a change to this. Sometimes FD listens.
I have yet to play a game where a complaint makes any difference other than how I perceive the game. Everyone else does not give rat buttock.
Elite is serious business, yo.
Edit: I take that back. I had the owner of an online game call me. He fixed the problem.
Be warned that the day you will suffer from anything caused by those players, if you come on this forum to complain, me and my friends will spam you with :
You have choosen... poorly
Are you serious ? How do you call it when you're fully upgraded in an Anaconda and just have fun by playing in injected events until FD release expansion ?
-1 for being unbrained
LOL! Pretty much pwnd. ;-)
You are 100% right. I have 7 friends on my friends list and yesterday 3 of them left because of the cheaters/50 billionaires and I moved to single player online. I don't want to play with cheaters. The damage is already done.
Some of the 50 billionaires are selling their accounts on illegal websites, good job FD.
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Well, I tried to be nice about it, and there's so much anger around you get people neg repping you for just trying to chill everybody out and get some perspective. Thanks for all the +1's though everybody, and I totally understand what you say in pm about if you post in this thread to say you agree you'll get lambasted. It's sad, but what you say is true. That's the state of this forum since release.
So, as the old saying goes if you can't beat 'em join 'em.
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So, as the old saying goes if you can't beat 'em join 'em.
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It's all turning into a complete dogs breakfast. I propose a complete wipe once they sort out ALL the bugs and instead of giving us a sidey, eagle or cobra to start we should get given an Anaconda and enough to cover insurance and a belly full of cargo. Just a thought...
You are projecting your opinion on me. I am not reacting to a unfair decision, because 1) I don't think it is unfair. 2) I really don't give a rat's buttock what other people have or don't have in the game. I don't measure my success or enjoyment against what they are doing.
Yes .... but ... what was damaged? I wasn't damaged by some players getting extra credits so I don't see what needs fixing. If it was the players themselves then they were given the choice if they wanted to be "fixed".
I'm rather in the same boat as you. Despite some ups and downs over the years I've largely given Frontier the benefit of the doubt in the past. The latest decision to allow people to keep vast in game resources as a result of a bug has seriously affected how I view them. It makes no rational sense and yeah, I've lost a lot of respect for them. I really wonder if they know what they are doing. Just wow.
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You know you had basically 0,0025% chance to meet any of these billionaires, assuming everyone playing online and assuming no one of them either cleaned save or asked for creds to be taken away?
Talk about overreaction
Exactly.
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You know you had basically 0,0025% chance to meet any of these billionaires, assuming everyone playing online and assuming no one of them either cleaned save or asked for creds to be taken away?
Talk about overreaction
Totally agree.
Overreaction is this forum's hallmark unfortunately.
Disagree, FDev handled it the easies way they could.
What they could do now instead of wiping or rolling back is is hand each of these Cmdrs a 5b (- a tocken gesture 1m say or maybe a little more) but do not have a kill wanted on them. SO that next time they land they pay of the fine player is back to normal. Even allow them a loan which they can pay of over time if required. Called the error something "Zaonce Banking error"
You know you had basically 0,0025% chance to meet any of these billionaires, assuming everyone playing online and assuming no one of them either cleaned save or asked for creds to be taken away?
Talk about overreaction
That doesn't make it right or justify the action either. Those Billionaires will meet other players, thats for sure. But thats not the point, I suppose the question to be answered is why this was done? I can't see any sane or rational justification for it at all. It undermines the integrity of the entire game and its a smack in the face to those playing it straight. It also sends a message that Frontier are soft on this sort of thing, it took quite a bit of prodding to get them to act even about those wilfully exploiting.
But as a FD fanboi who defends anything they do, I suppose its far too much to be expecting rationality or objectivity.
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Uhm... No. Go back to post: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=92233&p=1437939&viewfull=1#post1437939
Specifically from Andrew:
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So what happened seemed to be:
1. some players were suffering a bug (something with stuck cargo I heard)
2. FD fixed the bug
3. FD refunded the affected players with the costs of the bug, plus x%, to compensate for lost time and frustration.
4. For some reason, FD 'd step 3 for n players (according to some sources fewer than 50 people) and awarded them not x%, but 5 billion Cr.
5. FD gave the people affected by step 4 the infamous 3 options.
At no point are the people affected exploiters, at least not in any way I would define an exploiter. They did not willfully manipulate events, mechanics and bugs in unintended ways for whatever gain. They were victims of a bug and FD made a mess of the compensation measure. That's all.
In the second quoted paragraph, Andrew then makes an extra statement about exploiters who wilfully used to bug for their own gains. He states that their cases are clearly different from the others and that they will be investigated. They did not exploit the bug to get the 5 billion Cr. So let's not paint the 5 billion Cr. club as a bunch of exploiters, or even worse, cheaters.
This being said, a single player with that much money is able to change a small part of the universe significantly. It's very unlikely to affect any specific player, but any player that happens to be in the near vicinity of a 5 billion Cr club player will likely be affected in ways that may or may not be significant, depending on play style. It may have impact on faction influence, mission availability, commodity prices. Or even the mere presence of a top-outfitted ship. It's definately not certain what a 5 billion Cr club player will do, it will almost certainly not impact myself given there are at most 50 members of that club. If one happens to live near me though, I might have to move away if I find his/her influence on the game state affecting my play style.
Therefore, I do believe a rollback of those 5 billion would have been most wise. Because they were double victims (original bug + compensation , both responsibility of FD themselves), I'd offer a generous compensation: maybe a free paintjob, double credits, that sort of thing: something to compensate for lost time, inconvenience, that would be fair to the victims as well as not unsettling the rest of the player community.
I don't think there is actual malice involved, but I do think that FD have severely miscalculated the impact of their decision to go online.
I can only suggest that neither you nor your friends play any other large scale multiplayer games, either.
Nearly all large scale multiplayer games have bugs or other issues that can be exploited in some way, and if they do, someone will have exploited it. You won't be able to escape 'cheaters'.
The great irony here, of course, is that the less than 50 'billionaires' aren't cheats at all. FD made a mistake when trying to compensate them for server issues, and gave them more credits than intended. None of these players has done anything wrong at all (which is why FD gave them the option of keeping the credits).
As Brits they are most likely didn't get knee jerking potential related to this. Personally I don't get these reactions, but to each his/her own.
I'm wondering if FD problem is they don't KNOW who got all the credits? That night I recall a friend of mine saying his pulse laser was valued at 4.9 billion, he sold it, and got the right price (not the 4.9 billion). I wonder if they are in a position where they just can't tell. Another friend of mine that night was able to sell his cargo 3 times over (40k worth only). He quit then being none of us want to exploit this game.
My guess is that while their might be 50 billionaires, there might be far many more who exploited the issue for large amounts of credits that FD just can't prove were cheated.
So they waited too long for a rollback, so had to wash their hands of it. The smart move that night would have been just a rollback, listen to the whines, and we would ALL be past it now.
My guess is that while their might be 50 billionaires, there might be far many more who exploited the issue for large amounts of credits that FD just can't prove were cheated.
So they waited too long for a rollback, so had to wash their hands of it. The smart move that night would have been just a rollback, listen to the whines, and we would ALL be past it now.
I like the idea of an altruistic billionaire
good on him."griefer heaven"? ..... do we have a different definition of griefer? My definition is attacking the same person repeatedly for no reason. Just killing human players for no reason, while not very nice, is not greifing in my opinion. Are they really attacking the same people again and again? I've not even been attacked once by a player since Beta time and rarely even see another player ... yes I am in open play
I don't see it as cheating that they have been given money. I look at it this way: Can you tell the difference between someone who was given 5b cr or earned it? I can't so it doesn't make a difference to the way I play.