Gradually Losing Respect for Frontier Development - Here is Why

[Aquila Oculus]

I understand the points made here, and the concerns people have, but allow me to give you a different perspective for people writing the words "Stockholm Syndrome" (seriously... lol) and people who can't believe the way I (and a lot of other people think). I'm talking to you right now.

It's a state of mind. I'll gloss over the fact that to use "stockholm syndrome" as a metaphor is a stretch to say the least and try to explain to you what I mean by my first post in this thread.

It's not about what's happened, or what will happen, it's how you deal with it. How you process your emotions.

You could either , moan, whine, throw all your toys out of the pram and complain until your fingers drop off from excessive keyboard use.

Or, what about the other way. The way that is better for your health, and general wellbeing. You can apply this to all aspects of life too, and if you master it, life will be a lot better for you, no matter what happens

That's all I'm trying to say. Step outside your anger, your frustration, and your inability to influence things and change it to the way you feel they should be, and just accept this is the way it is, this is the decision that's been made (and their decision is final), and find whichever way works for you to be able to continue enjoying the game you spent your money on.

The other alternative is spending more time than is really necessary on the forum rather than just doing what gaming has always been about, having fun and relaxing, a bit of escapism.

Use your imagination if you must to overcome your frustration with the decision, they will not change their mind even if they wanted to at this point. You make a decision, you roll with it come what may. That's what they must do, and what they have done. Let it go, and move on. It will be better for you in the long run...

Just for once let's all calm down, chill out and just get on with playing the game...

Peace CMDR's

 

[mono]

My thoughts exactly. But it's easier to blame devs than troubleshoot a computer...

This suggests a problem with your friends pc installation, something the devs have no control over.

Really? I had Christmas Day and New Year's Day off and had to work the Sundays before and after Christmas Day. I'd guess those who work in retail will have had even less time off.

Here in the UK companies only returned to work on Mon everyone shuts down for two weeks over the Christmas period, so they have had two whole days to get back to work and deal with the backlog of tickets; your expectations are frankly ridiculous.

 

[MJallday]

sorry i dont agree (and in some places you are completely incorrect)

First of all this is a forum, this is what they are for - debating the subject
whether you agree with the stance put by individuals or not, if we all "stepped outside" and capitulated to FD's idea, then this would be a very quiet place indeed!
This forum has provided the basis for which some of the games decisions have already been made, so you saying we have an "inability to influence things and change it to the way you feel they should be, and just accept this is the way it is" - its totally incorrect

 

[Marikc0]

I understand the points made here, and the concerns people have, but allow me to give you a different perspective for people writing the words "Stockholm Syndrome" (seriously... lol) and people who can't believe the way I (and a lot of other people think). I'm talking to you right now.

It's a state of mind. I'll gloss over the fact that to use "stockholm syndrome" as a metaphor is a stretch to say the least and try to explain to you what I mean by my first post in this thread.

It's not about what's happened, or what will happen, it's how you deal with it. How you process your emotions.

You could either , moan, whine, throw all your toys out of the pram and complain until your fingers drop off from excessive keyboard use.

Or, what about the other way. The way that is better for your health, and general wellbeing. You can apply this to all aspects of life too, and if you master it, life will be a lot better for you, no matter what happens

That's all I'm trying to say. Step outside your anger, your frustration, and your inability to influence things and change it to the way you feel they should be, and just accept this is the way it is, this is the decision that's been made (and their decision is final), and find whichever way works for you to be able to continue enjoying the game you spent your money on.

The other alternative is spending more time than is really necessary on the forum rather than just doing what gaming has always been about, having fun and relaxing, a bit of escapism.

Use your imagination if you must to overcome your frustration with the decision, they will not change their mind even if they wanted to at this point. You make a decision, you roll with it come what may. That's what they must do, and what they have done. Let it go, and move on. It will be better for you in the long run...

Just for once let's all calm down, chill out and just get on with playing the game...

Peace CMDR's

When they say Stockholm Syndrome I believe they are referring to gamers who can't admit to any wrong doing or blatantly true statement that speaks negatively about a game that they are in love with. Comment negatively on any Reddit sub for a game like DayZ, Elite, Elder Scrolls Online or Star Citizen and you will see exactly what I mean. No matter how right you are and how true the statement is.

 

[Beetlebum]

It's a state of mind. I'll gloss over the fact that to use "stockholm syndrome" as a metaphor is a stretch to say the least

I think it was a good metaphor. I didn't want to insult anybody. I think submitting yourself to someone is a normal human behaviour in a powerless situation. It saves your emotions.

It's not about what's happened, or what will happen, it's how you deal with it. How you process your emotions.

Exactly. But you have to understand one thing: My emotions are good. I am a very happy person with a fantastic life. I just don't want to play unfair games. And I don't want to find excuses to make up that things are fair when they clearly aren't. FD has listened in the past. Maybe they listen again.

 

[Christopsy]

HOW what can they do other than buying a big Ship?? dropping Gold in front of Stations maybe? yea they dont need to grind anymore thats all as i said its just veil jealously not the sense of Fairness

this says it all https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=92890&p=1464685&viewfull=1#post1464685

I agree. Buy a big ship and upgrade to A class everything. I'd have given the money back, because the whole point of the game isn't to just buy the most expensive ship... You don't "win" by doing that.

Having a massive pile would just make the game dull; in fact the same happens in some FPS games towards the endgame; if you have no ammo shortage, say, and all the big guns, there's no challenge left.

Also, they still can only buy a limited amount of Gold at a time. In this economy you can't buy and sell billions worth of stocks, only 200 or so tons at a time.

 

[Beetlebum]

I agree. Buy a big ship and upgrade to A class everything. I'd have given the money back, because the whole point of the game isn't to just buy the most expensive ship... You don't "win" by doing that.

Having a massive pile would just make the game dull; in fact the same happens in some FPS games towards the endgame; if you have no ammo shortage, say, and all the big guns, there's no challenge left.

Also, they still can only buy a limited amount of Gold at a time. In this economy you can't buy and sell billions worth of stocks, only 200 or so tons at a time.

I would have done the same for the exact same reasons. What concerns me btw: If they have nothing to do, they begin seeking things to do. As one already pointed out, these people may have not the highest moral standards or concept of gamer honor. It is likely they will begin to grief other players and will influence the galaxy in unforseeable ways when new content comes along like this 1000 t ship someone talked about.

 

[Riandor]

How do you know this? They can grief people indefinitely with the strongest ships and without taking any risk. This is ridiculous. How can one defend this?

No they cannot.
There are mechanisms in place against griefing, fool-proof, probably not... But it was stated that those griefing will be picked up by the game and placed in more and more remotely populated servers/instances until they are only with others of the same ilk. This was stated very clearly by the Devs (Michael & David even IIRC).

The message also said LESS than 50 and that they were all given the option. So a worst case scenario is that they ALL decided to keep these funds, which I doubt. On top it was also stated that each case would be looked at in isolation, meaning that it is also possible that not all of these "so called 50" were given this actual option.

Those selling their accounts on eBay etc should be dealt with as this is against the EULA.

FD wanted to ensure that those affected by FD's mistake were not adversely affected by having their characters/progress wiped. This was obviously not just a simple case of adding 5Billion and then removing 5Billion, if it was that clear cut then it would in all likelihood of been done in that manner. Too much speculation and overhyping (on this issue).

Apologies to the OP for not commenting on their concerns.

 

[daan2002]

I agree. Buy a big ship and upgrade to A class everything. I'd have given the money back, because the whole point of the game isn't to just buy the most expensive ship... You don't "win" by doing that.

Having a massive pile would just make the game dull; in fact the same happens in some FPS games towards the endgame; if you have no ammo shortage, say, and all the big guns, there's no challenge left.

this what some get wrong like you not everyone plays the same way you do not everyone plays for the same reason you do not everyone has the same moral values you do

 

[Hemlock]

I have little or no issue with the OPs cited points. The UK and Europe in general shut down for the same time period. Likely 99.5% of us had no trouble paying for the game... and I could not possibly care less about a money glitch.

As a community we need to focus on providing helpful feedback to the devs to make the *game* better.

 

[Beetlebum]

No they cannot.

Of course they can.

There are mechanisms in place against griefing, fool-proof, probably not... But it was stated that those griefing will be picked up by the game and placed in more and more remotely populated servers/instances until they are only with others of the same ilk. This was stated very clearly by the Devs (Michael & David even IIRC).

They also said we get an offline mode and they wouldn't allow exploitation. Now we are forced to play online and have billionaires, but the term "exploitation" has been redefined. Even if the bug users don't damage other players directly, they can damage the economy in the future, when certain content arrives.

The message also said LESS than 50 and that they were all given the option. So a worst case scenario is that they ALL decided to keep these funds, which I doubt. On top it was also stated that each case would be looked at in isolation, meaning that it is also possible that not all of these "so called 50" were given this actual option.

Even if it would be only one: I don't like this attitude of "fairness" the developers are showing here. What comes next, now that benefitting from bugs is an officially acknowledged gameplay mechanic?

FD wanted to ensure that those affected by FD's mistake were not adversely affected by having their characters/progress wiped. This was obviously not just a simple case of adding 5Billion and then removing 5Billion,

Of course it is that simple, because FD has offered exactly this solution to the "lucky" ones.

 

[MagmaiKH]

all fair points but I would like to point out on small thing regarding time frames that you expect a developer to "fix" issues by, Elite is a small kick starter and has just released their are many problems that need to be addressed and only around 200 members of staff in the entire company, compare that to say Blizzard who have over 5000 member's of staff and still can't get a game to launch correctly and it puts a little perspective on things. I do understand that this dosn't helps your problems but it is what it is.

No.

If they took the kick-starter money and then *open-sourced* the code *and* assets created with it ... then and only then would this be valid.

They charged $60 for the game and it's not being developed by kids in their parent's basements.

In context, extra money from Kickstarter was essentially a tip.

If they are not going to be bothered to run the game in a responsible fashion then they need to release the code (thus tools) to run the server side so fans can make secured shards.


The obvious and appropriate response to a server-side malfunction is a server-wide roll back. When the servers started acting up a bunch of us stopped playing because we expected to loose all our progress.

 

[MagmaiKH]

I have little or no issue with the OPs cited points. The UK and Europe in general shut down for the same time period. Likely 99.5% of us had no trouble paying for the game... and I could not possibly care less about a money glitch.

As a community we need to focus on providing helpful feedback to the devs to make the *game* better.

What game? Apparently it's fine if I hack, cheat-warp my ship around and grief everyone.

You can't have respect for rules when they don't bother to maintain the integrity of the server-side data.

It's garbage now. We're still in beta. We now need a server wipe to restore integrity.

 

[LARY STARKEEPER]

A friend of mine had the opportunity to sell the 5 billions shield, but he just delayed the selling and made a ticket. Everyone who get the 5 billions should be reseted.

 

[davelister]

The obvious and appropriate response to a server-side malfunction is a server-wide roll back. When the servers started acting up a bunch of us stopped playing because we expected to loose all our progress.

Not allways thats what some PPL here want but if i count the others like me i see also many who do not care if someone 2 Doors down the hall has 3 Orcas and 1 Anaconda and if i would be interdiced by a Player with a Conda i would let it happen but to this Day it did not happen.

The funny thing is they do have that Money over more than 8 Days now and did we see anywere in the Forums any Post about a UBERAnaconda that Griefs everything? NO

think about that!

 

[Pekaafax]

This is what is most upsetting. Obviously, there is no impact to economy now or in the future. The fact that FD allowed people to keep billions of free credits tells me that credits are, and will always be, nothing more than a path to ship upgrades. There is no plan for a real economy, any type of manufacturing path etc. to give credits any meaning. There is no power to credits beyond the ships that they bring. This is a depressing realization. If there were plans to have a real economy, FD would never let a few people have such an advantage. So, I'll enjoy the combat/docking simulator until it gets really boring or until [game x] comes out.

Million times this. ^

To me, Frontier's decision of letting the billionaires keep their credit piles is more than apparent indication of what Crabwich said.

I really hope it will turn out not to be true. :S

 

[CMDR Byr Goefin]

If this happened, you will not have to delete your save, you will just have to say to FD : "Take the 5TCr you accidentally gave me", that's all. FD failed by giving them the choise to keep it !
Anyway, you agree that 50 people are more important than ELITE community ?

I think 50 people out of the community are irrelevant.

It is you that has the problem with what happened. It is something you cannot change or make not happen.

But how you react to it is your choice. You have choosen... poorly.

 

[AlexRyder]

5TCr ! Their games are not ruined ! They can now focus on the ENDGAME fun like heavy-events influencement or faction expansion.....

-1 for using "end game" when referring to Elite.

 

[Andromalius]

Well, all the "dynamic market" marketing has been pretty much debunked at that point.

 

[LARY STARKEEPER]

I think 50 people out of the community are irrelevant.

It is you that has the problem with what happened. It is something you cannot change or make not happen.

But how you react to it is your choice. You have choosen... poorly.

Be warned that the day you will suffer from anything caused by those players, if you come on this forum to complain, me and my friends will spam you with :

"Huhu... A Panther Clipper have totally depleted my Palladium market ! Huhu"
"Snif... The faction I wanted to help has just disappeared from the system I was, because it was 0% influence"
This because you will never have the same riches to counter them...
You have choosen... poorly

-1 for using "end game" when referring to Elite.

Are you serious ? How do you call it when you're fully upgraded in an Anaconda and just have fun by playing in injected events until FD release expansion ?
-1 for being unbrained