Great New Article About Elite Dangerous
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Of course SDC had a chance to defend their system. They simply had to keep their influence up by performing trades / missions / exploration etc. They chose not to do so, indeed they stated that they didn't want the station, and if any of their own members got friendly with the system, they would be kicked from the group.
I quite liked them. Perhaps because there was less giggling and I don't believe the SDC videos ever have a disturbingly alluring, scantily clad, green lady in them.
They were too busy in Mobius group
HaHa, but actually other than their cancer farce they have done nothing that I'm aware of since the original Mobius attacks. They seem to be pretty much done. Time will tell.
First time I've posted it. Sadly I can't stand the game play mechanics of EvE. Never could get into it and I tried so many times. [blah]
Um, you DO realize that you're posting in a thread that was created to talk about an article about Elite and SDC right? You could try, I dunno, reading the article to see what they've been up to. Or are you just posting here so you can make jabs at SDC?
Sure ok. But why anyone would think it was just Mobius players anyway I have no idea.
And whether it was all Mobius players or not, it's kinda irrelevant to the point.
FWIW I have 3 CMDRs in Mobius.
Logic has gone on vacation? Because I think the article should have covered the flipside where the PvErs tried to force the PvPers to PvE and in the end SDC lost a station because it's just not how they want to play?
And that I think that's nothing to be particularly proud of?
just to be clear on this I understand the BGS is PvE, I think we all do, I mean how many heated threads have we had over the last few months where the root cause has been PvE/PvP open/solo clashing through the shared BGS?
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Oh I am absolutely sure they'll crop up again. My rusty garden shears wait in eager anticipation for yet more snip-snip
Goose4291
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This paragraph highlights the concerns of every single person who's been accused of being a SDC apologist, plant, troll, griefer or whatever the name of the day we all take for suggesting that perhaps in a game where you have laser guns bolted onto the front of your ship, you might want to use them on another player.
I've been playing EVE since 2010 and getting bored to the "click in space" mechanics. That's why I'm playing more ED lately. The feeling of actually piloting your own ship is awesome.
I understand that they're not the same game though and won't ever have similar mechanics, but both games share two things in common:
1. SPACESHIPS
2. Do whatever you want!
This is why ED appeals to many EVE players, and we bring some of our thoughts from that game here.
Tbh the only thing I want from EVE to ED is somekind of guild/corp system, and ingame chat for your guild/corp. It would make things easier for players to communicate and do stuff together with likeminded people, in my opinion. Maybe I'm weird but I rather not use third party tools for that. Also somekind of tags on players to indicate what guild/corp they're in would be nice. I like to strut around with cool names, haha!
Didn't these PvPers started the whole thing by forcing the PvErs to PvP? Seems like a plain eye for an eye there...
PvP in this game is nothing more than a hobby, it serves absolutely no ingame purpose. There absolutely nothing in the game for PvP other than an occasional skirmish "just because". ED is not counter-strike, PvP has near zero impact on the game and in the galaxy simulation. So attacking the system faction actually has far more to do with the game's mechanics than PvP.
I've nothing against PvP per se, but if someone expects to play ED just for PvP, he'll find ED to be a very small, tiny, absent of purpose game.
Lets hope the fine folks at Eve implement real space ship flying then eh? If not, then SC might be the saviour for everyone.
Feel free to use your laser guns on anyone who is not playing in a Private Group who have explicitly stated that using laser guns on other members is expressly forbidden. That is the only thing that precipitated this entire episode. If it were done in Open, or in any other Private Group that allows pew-pew - none of this would have ever happened.
Why are you passive-agressive towards me?
Even if some EVE players bring their thoughts here, they're not infecting the mind of the devs with them.
Or should I just keep quiet and leave because I played "that other space game which is full of nasty people?"
Goose4291
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It's a little six of one, half a dozen of the other when it all boils down to it.
1) PvPers camp and pirate or just kill victims at a CG in open.
2) Some Victims who don't like the concept of PvP or the risk of losing go to Solo or private groups.
3) Same Victims come back to crow loudly on the forums, reddit and numerous facebook groups, and do their best Ner ner ne ner ner noises at the PvPers who can't get at them. (see below if you are unsure of what that term means.
I honestly don't know why you're going on about "group of players". I've said a few times now I'm *just* talking about a group of players, I haven't aligned those to any PG.
I view the BGS 'gameplay' much like the changing of the lightbulb in the following:
[video=youtube_share;Qa_gZ_7sdZg]https://youtu.be/Qa_gZ_7sdZg[/video]
Goose4291
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Agreed. However as we've discussed before in other posts regarding Frontiers reiteration of the policy, the threats regarding attacking twitch streamers, some of whom were in open at the time, and how judgements will be issued based on 'context' and not clearly labelled and described guidelines, is where the concerns come from.
This isn't an issue purely focused on the Mobius 'infiltration', but wider issues, which the article in question goes into depth on.
For some people - unwanted PvP is far less exciting than this:
[video=youtube_share;PqmBpXxWZYs]https://youtu.be/PqmBpXxWZYs?t=10[/video]
Agreed - the "context" here needs clear definition from FD. On one side, the mindless pew-pews could be banned for playing the game in the way they see fit. On the other side, a player logging out using the sanctioned 15 second logout could be banned for playing the game in the way they see fit. Both are valid. Both are wrong. Depends upon "context" which is at FD's sole discretion.
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Yes exactly!!!
But the difference being in one direction Mobius can solve the issue with a straightforward ban.
While in the other direction nothing at all can be done, since fundamentally the issue is with how the game currently works.
It's an aspect of all this that article should have covered, but didn't.
It raises fundamental issues with the notion of a shared BGS between modes that allow PvP and modes that don't, the resulting tension between players that then creates (as we see on the forums) and questions of what is fair and what isn't given Mobius lost nothing while SDC lost a station.
It's essentially at the core of the whole thing, the article touched briefly on it but they missed the pay back twist which for some people here just highlights the core issue and raises more questions.
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