Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.

So can we post videos of cheaters if we block their name? I'm more interesting in the mechanics of the cheating than who the cheater is.
If they (the Cheater) have found a hole in the blocking mechanism, then that might be possible. It might take FD time to track down the root cause and deploy a fix for it though.

My understanding is the blocking feature is supposed to prevent blocked players from spawning with the player blocking them as well as stopping them from sending communications to the blocking player.
 
Except they don't, as the cheater is still around (for at least two days now).
I mean, if they've been blocked, then as far as that player is concerned, they don't exist.

Official action can follow.

Yes, a more intense in-game system would be preferable, but there are many issues with that. It's not easy for the game to determine the difference between somebody opposing BGS/CG opponents and somebody who is just looking to shoot down easy targets. Not to mention piracy should be a legitimate trade, but can easily be a casualty in more serious C&P systems.
 
My understanding is the blocking feature is supposed to prevent blocked players from spawning with the player blocking them as well as stopping them from sending communications to the blocking player.
That's correct. I suppose if the blocked player has more than one account, they could get around it. I can only imagine that circumventing the in-game system like that would be a great way to bring enforcement down hard.
 
That's correct. I suppose if the blocked player has more than one account, they could get around it. I can only imagine that circumventing the in-game system like that would be a great way to bring enforcement down hard.
Yup - as someone else has already pointed out FD do deal with at least some cases. I do not envy FD their job regarding processing of the reports as no doubt there are at least some that generate either spurious/unjustified or deliberately fake reports.
 

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Devs should just take their weapons away and force them to scan and map 1000 systems before being able to get weapons back. Let them fly defenseless for awhile.
So your idea is:

-Play a game with weapons
-Use weapons
-Get effectively banned for using core content

I think we should take away your cargo racks every time you make 5 million credits. Can't have you enjoy the game now can we?
 
Pray tell me: if one is not allowed to name and shame a cheater, how am I supposed to block him, except when I get blown up by him or witness his cheatings?
So the cheater may roam free, but the CMDR who gets blown up AT BEST clutters up support to get his ship restored.
Great solution, really great solution.

Also this whole talk about "metrics do or do not support the accusation" - are you for real? Of course it's cheating if a CMDR tanks fire from ATR without losing A SINGLE PERCENT OF SHIELDS OR HULL...
Metrics lol.
 
Yup - as someone else has already pointed out FD do deal with at least some cases. I do not envy FD their job regarding processing of the reports as no doubt there are at least some that generate either spurious/unjustified or deliberately fake reports.
Oh, I had somebody who was extra-mad about a game once make a parody account and send a lot of very racist stuff to other people, bragging that they couldn't do anything to the "real" account.

It took me a week to get my account unlocked, and eventually found the perpetrator - there were 10 people in a game, and all but two were messaged the same thing - no message to me, and no message to the guy who had been blocked by my whole team all game after he got dumpstered 1v1 and threw a hot fit.

Nowadays enforcement checks on stuff like that for fakes, false-flag stuff like that was a real popular bit for a while.
 

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Pray tell me: if one is not allowed to name and shame a cheater, how am I supposed to block him, except when I get blown up by him or witness his cheatings?
So the cheater may roam free, but the CMDR who gets blown up AT BEST clutters up support to get his ship restored.
Great solution, really great solution.

Also this whole talk about "metrics do or do not support the accusation" - are you for real? Of course it's cheating if a CMDR tanks fire from ATR without losing A SINGLE PERCENT OF SHIELDS OR HULL...
Metrics lol.
It's the 21st century.

You're not allowed to make accusations ever.

Not unless the accused is entirely innocent.
 
Pray tell me: if one is not allowed to name and shame a cheater, how am I supposed to block him, except when I get blown up by him or witness his cheatings?
So the cheater may roam free, but the CMDR who gets blown up AT BEST clutters up support to get his ship restored.
Great solution, really great solution.
So you're saying that just the accusation would be enough for you to block a player?

I think you answered your own question.

Also this whole talk about "metrics do or do not support the accusation" - are you for real? Of course it's cheating if a CMDR tanks fire from ATR without losing A SINGLE PERCENT OF SHIELDS OR HULL...
Metrics lol.
Are you railing against the possibility of false reports of cheating... by claiming that cheating is possible?
 
Pray tell me: if one is not allowed to name and shame a cheater, how am I supposed to block him, except when I get blown up by him or witness his cheatings?

OK... So, can we have something like Deat Pilots Society?
A secret group where dead Cmdrs would gather in shadows, hooded, sharing among themselves little pucks with names of those who they think should be blocked?
Now that'd be a neat lore.
 
OK... So, can we have something like Deat Pilots Society?
A secret group where dead Cmdrs would gather in shadows, hooded, sharing among themselves little pucks with names of those who they think should be blocked?
Now that'd be a neat lore.
That just sounds like an assassin's guild with pucks.
 
OK... So, can we have something like Deat Pilots Society?
A secret group where dead Cmdrs would gather in shadows, hooded, sharing among themselves little pucks with names of those who they think should be blocked?
Now that'd be a neat lore.
Nah, actually I'd like a system which detects obvious cheats like the one I recorded.
I don't want to play god and decide who gets banned and who doesn't of course.
But the problem still exists, and putting your fingers in your ears and chant lalalaeula isn't a solution.

Talked a bit ingame with some CMDRs and everyone says the same. Good that guy was so obvious,
it once again shows there are serious problems in Elite with cheating.
But I don't want to know how many people use a cheat giving themselves one a 10% boost instead of invulnerability.

It's broken, you can't deny that.

Is it a big problem? Propably not.
Is it a problem? Hell yes.

You saw that vid I presume. It's blatantly obvious and in no - I repeat no - way you could achieve that invulnerabililty with legit amor/shields.
 
Works like a charm.
Glad to have helped - Merry Christmas :D
So basically christmas and national holidays in britain are cheating time in Elite.
Not necessarily, IME Cheaters and Hackers are rife through out the year in on-line games - they are like weeds and are not restricted to any one country (which could be faked by VPN).
There is no automated anti-cheat system.
Automated anti-cheat systems are a bit of a White Elephant (Punk Buster anyone?), DRM tools can help to a degree but no doubt that determined cheaters would find a way around them (at least to a degree).

FD probably could do with some more intelligent means to prevent manipulation of game data and fake applications feeding data into the system BUT such measures could exasperate problems with latency and bandwidth.
 
FD probably could do with some more intelligent means to prevent manipulation of game data and fake applications feeding data into the system BUT such measures could exasperate problems with latency and bandwidth.
There is no magic "fix cheating" switch. Every potential tool to stop cheating also creates a burden on the game and creates possible issues for legitimate players.
 
It's broken, you can't deny that.

Is it a big problem? Propably not.
Is it a problem? Hell yes.
Same goes for habitual gankers and griefers.

Ultimately, we would all prefer it if such things did not happen BUT we are not in an ideal world, and it will never be an ideal world due to human nature and cultural differences (some of which create friction).

In the case of ED, we have blocking and reporting tools for observed/perceived infractions courtesy of FD. It might not be a perfect solution, but no solution is likely to be.
You saw that vid I presume. It's blatantly obvious and in no - I repeat no - way you could achieve that invulnerabililty with legit amor/shields.
Not looked at the vid yet and the post seems to have been removed so I can not comment on what you allegedly saw. But the fact it was removed seems to mean there was enough suspect information for perhaps FD to investigate (I have encountered at least some builds that seem to be near invulnerable - whether they are actually using cheat tools or not is an unknown)
 
There is no magic "fix cheating" switch. Every potential tool to stop cheating also creates a burden on the game and creates possible issues for legitimate players.
There are measures that involve using a combination of crypto techniques, server handshakes, and one-time-passwords that can make it very hard for cheaters. But such approaches add burden to latency and bandwidth which can mean that in a real-time context such as ED they may be not viable.
 
It names/shames them within the context that Frontier controls - the game. That is their name and identifier within Frontier's product, and the name used when interacting with other players.

Saying that "CMDR Haxor1234 is a combat logger and griefer" can affect their game experience.

Said "CMDR Haxor1234" is not even necessarily one person IRL (the owner and the cheater are not necessarily the same). Besides, they can change the CMDR name anytime, which makes it practically impossible for any real person behind an account to be actually "shamed" by anyone else.
 
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