Ehhh call it self esteem or lack of self awareness. Most of us have dumped 1000ish hours on the game and 100s of hours on the forums.
Also not seeing the difference between insulting someone’s genitalia and calling them losers. Anything you say about insulting people on forums can be applied to blazing people away in game.
It’s all simulated “violence”, just with a different medium
None of this is violence. At all.
So using the word craven; which basically mean, cowardly. Is not an insult?
Again. who, here did I insult, with my original post?
I literally meant craven and chose it because of what it means. I.E., "contemptibly lacking in courage; cowardly."
I don't know who you may have insulted but I can still call your language out for being poor. The fact you are doubling down on your right to make arguments based on the perceived size of someone's genitalia and how it may or may not inform their identity is hilariously dumb. Dude, it's the 21st Century. Word better.
But yes, tell me again how I'm not the civil one here.
The “spirit” you speak of is 100% up to interpretation. It is of no practical consequence, so it’s pretty much irrelevant.
Also, for the record, you forgot blocking on your list. Works great, especially just before interdictions. Keeps players with opposing viewpoints apart. You should try it sometime.
Blocking in order to avoid how people legitimately play in Open Play is just as bad as menu logging. But hey, y'all feel free to do that stuff. Makes achieving my goals easier, not harder.
Can you read?
He said the post was craven, not the guy.
Can we stop trying to make this personal at every opportunity.
Right?
A strong opinion, is still just an opinion. I think you're wrong, both absolutely, and morally. You can argue how STRONG your opinion is compared to mine, but it would be a fairly facile thing to waste your time with.
Having lots of experience of being a griefer, doesn't make greifing any more acceptable. It just means you've been exhibiting crass, childish behaviour for longer than others, and that yopu derive pleasure from other people's misfortune for longer than others too. If that's an accolade you aspire to, then you go right ahead, but have the courage to just hold your hand up and admit to being a T**t instead of pretending it's a legitimate way to spend your time in here. People would have more respect for you.
You don't know me so accept this correction in the gentle tone in which it is meant. Would a griefer post and do things like this?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/psa-war-in-carcosa.517886/
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...scott-improving-the-colonia-engineers.510869/
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/on-diabetes-elite-dangerous-and-getting-good.510070/
Not being illegal, or against rules doesn't mean that it is equally acceptable as any other practice in game, just as things that are not illegal in real life are not necessarily on an equal moral footing with other activities.
Personally, I think you exhibit great immaturity if you get a hard on from attacking unarmed ships.
I thank you for the tips offered so far, but I think this is where our dialogue ends. I equate in-game griefing to kids pulling the wings off flies: I just think there's something wrong with people who derive pleasure from attacking unarmed craft that offer no reward, kudos or indeed anything.
All you're doing is making a case for Solo Play. It looks more and more attractive by the minute after reading this thread.
Dismiss me as a mere greifer, if you like. Fact of the matter is if you think the people you describe in your OP are doing anything even remotely as bad as you describe here you simply have no idea what you're talking about in regards to Elite: Dangerous and this issue.
Yes that is true, but that is down to how the system is designed, and the CCP have always been happy for EvE to be edgy in that way.
But surly you agree that the Elite C&P system is a joke?
It's better than people realize. There are consequences for criminal actions, as the developers intended, but not unlike EvE the outlaw types don't scream and yell on forums about how it doesn't murder griefers from space with a space laser by God the moment something bad happens. Outlaws do the outlaw thing: figure out how to work it to their advantage and move on with getting things done. Since it doesn't bother us all that much people presume it's a joke of a system.
AKA we got good as per usual.
(shrug) He seems to be firmly in defence of the griefer.
As defined by the actions of the players in your OP, yes, absolutely.
Right.
Now I do get that travelling in open in a cardboard box with 1bn Cr of explo data is asking for trouble because the game legitimately allows someone to shoot them but many would see that killing them isn’t in the spirit of the law.
You yourself have repeatedly told us that killing another player is allowed, by law (if you like) but now you want to introduce ‘the spirit of the law’ when it disadvantages you. That is all others are doing. A full combat rigged Conda blasting a shieldless Dolphin is not in the spirit of the law.
You either have the plain law and no spirit or you have spirit on all sides. You cant cherry pick.
Elite is set in a space punk dystopia. The Pilots Federation, the guild all of us as players are members of, allows us to do all the things we're able to do by funding us, providing ships, providing technology, and being as amoral about it all as you can possibly imagine.
Destroying ships for the sake of it (or any other sake) is in the spirit of that law. High security being a joke is in the spirit of that law. The risk of attack and danger, whether you are the most veteran of vets or fresh outta LHS 3447, is in the spirit of that law.
Magically avoiding consequences via logging out, blocking, or any of that nonsense isn't. You're welcome to disagree with this, of course, but I know what view inspires people to play and enjoy Elite like they never have before.
Mine.
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