Griefing

[RolloTreadway]

Maybe if you all stopped being such easy marks the gankers would really have a harder time. But no. Beeline to Farseer, Shinrarta, and whatever CG is active at the moment like the drones you are. Don't bother learning to fly your big ship. Don't bother learning to outfit. Heck, why even consider choosing Solo or PG when you're not in the mood for PvP.

Nope, just click Open. Take that five days of exploration data and head straight to Shinrarta. Maybe you won't get ganked this time. But hey, if you do, there's plenty of people ready to hold your hand and make you some chicken soup.

Meanwhile, all the folks you decry as gankers be like:

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To be entirely truthful, when I started posting here, I thought gankers and griefers were comical idiots with self-esteem issues and/or small tackles and/or mother issues. But I've come to realise that what you say is true. Gankers are a necessary and inevitable counterbalance to overconfident pilots who think that, because they've bought a big ship they can't fly, they have therefore Won The Game.

I started posting here some two and a half years after I started playing, and before I did, I had no clue that gankers/griefers existed, as despite playing in open for almost all that time I'd never come across anyone who wanted to shoot at me. I've still never been shot at - even in my paper explorer - by anyone who wasn't into proper RP piracy. Being ganked/griefed is the punishment for not learning the ropes, in the same way that hitting a brick wall at 50mph is the punishment for buying a fancy car without going through the driving lessons and tests.

Although, I'm sure some gankers/griefers do indeed have small tackles and maternal trouble.

 

[Ethaidan]

Although, I'm sure some gankers/griefers do indeed have small tackles and maternal trouble.

Following this to it's inevitable conclusion, are you implying that 'carebears' have small mothers and tackle troubles?

 

[pookeyhead]

All they want you to do, OP, is to post a thread like this.
You gave them their 15min of fame and the satisfaction that they ruined your game session.

Nope.. which is why I'd never name the miscreant.

 

[pookeyhead]

did you imagine you would be the only one doing the cutting?

No. I have nothing to cut with.

 

[Isaiah Evanson]

You don't have to name them. The fact this thread exists is the payoff for them.

 

[Exiledkhallisi]

Ungraceful, maybe, but until you can quote a dev saying that menu-logging is cheating, you’re just spouting your opinion.

Besides, I have yet to even try it in a combat situation. Are you saying that low-waking prior to interdiction and logging out is clogging? That would be a hard stance to defend.

Thats like saying, until the government cracks down on cleanliness with stated laws its totally acceptable to not wipe and smell terrible in public.

It doesnt make you any less of a delinquent.

further, clogging is against the TOS. Though they do lack enforcement.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The character on display by both carebears and gankers in this thread is in itself very enlightening and damning for those with eyes open to see. One, insults and demeans the character of people who play a game in an intended way simply because they don't like it, then makes false equivalencies to the actions of their targets. The other, offers advice for how to play in a cut-throat galaxy and still enjoy random encounters with other players, while defending the design of the game as intended, and not resorting to the childish behavior of insults and such.

Fascinating, I know who I'd much rather fly with myself. It's almost like ganking someone is a test of are they chill enough to hang with? Naw, I must just be a psychotic man with tiny genitals or a psychotic woman with a desire for equality, clearly.

How childish.

Funny. With some very small tweaks the you could reverse your post to make it sound the other way around.

I mean, we can start with your post where you use the word "carebears" which was designed as a word to demean those who don't like PvP play but those who think doing PvP means they are superior.

Well done /s

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Thats like saying, until the government cracks down on cleanliness with stated laws its totally acceptable to not wipe and smell terrible in public.

It doesnt make you any less of a delinquent.

further, clogging is against the TOS. Though they do lack enforcement.

But menu logging isn't against the ToS.

 

[Exiledkhallisi]

But menu logging isn't against the ToS.

Not in combat.

They have made it clear the difference.

 

[Schmack]

(shrug)…. no idea why he was doing what he was doing... just as I've no idea why there seems to be so many triggered people in this thread.

You started the thread.

 

[Thrender Grone]

How do you know the approach employed by griefers is intended?

Do you really think you can argue that deploying hardpoints and shooting at another ship is not intended gameplay in ED?

The word “griefing” is pretty key here, as is its definition, because using it carries with it a certain connotation. Less capable players use it interchangeably with other acts as an emotional appeal to win people to their side.

 

[Voracity_T]

No, but I put 10 points into this. I think my FDL skin grants a couple extra too.

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Perception is better.

Fight me.

 

[Ethaidan]

Not in combat.

They have made it clear the difference.

Nope, sounds like you've fallen for the common misconception.

Menu-logging is fine whenever someone decides to use the menu to leave the game. Whether it be landed safely at a station, while mining, in SC, or during combat.

Combat-logging (clogging) is not a simple descriptive term - it does NOT refer to simply logging out during combat. It refers specifically to logging out, during combat or otherwise, by using methods that bypass the menu - disconnecting your route, alt-tab-esc, pulling your Internet cable, etc.

 

[LordFerret]

Because that's where you drop out at Deciat… why else?

Any time I've ever dropped into Deciat, if I wanted to visit the beacon, I had to make a concerted effort to fly to it. So I don't know what you're talking about or getting so high and mighty about. My advice, unbind those panties.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Read my post again. I said learning how to fly your big ship was important too. Part of learning how to fly is learning what your ships can and cannot do.

I'm shocked this needs explaining.

If I were flying a Type 9 or Type 7 I wouldn't have it spec'd to fight back. It'd be spec'd for evasion and escape (and would succeed because I bring an actual brain to the equation). To flip it around for your stupid video challenge I might as well rack my Lance with cargo and go for the Top Ten at a shipping CG. It would only prove the Lance isn't suited for cargo hauling just like how a T9 or T7 isn't suited for combat.

But again, I thought that was obvious. Guess not. In the end if you want to go to war in a giant bus that's your business I guess.

Read my post again. Chicken out already? Scared to run a Cargo hauler? Need an FdL?

Oh, what a surprise... The FdL is indeed not a suitable Cargo Hauler. So the Haulers will turn up in Cargo Ships and then get ganked?
A T9 eating a single Grom Bomb or FSD disrupt Missile against a potent Combat Ship (or a Wing) is toast. We both know that. Good luck with that in a T7 or T9 in cargo config.

So what was your argument again?

Thought so. Thanks for proving my point.

PS.
You can twist around all you can, all day. The facts are obvious. You can stop twisting now, I think I've seen enough. You were right in one single thing : it's obvious indeed.
So go ahead and keep Ganking or support it and blame Cargo Haulers for flying Cargo Ships or Explorers for flying Exploration Ships, it's all okay.

 

[Kathryn Kando]

Nope.. which is why I'd never name the miscreant.

You aren‘t even allowed to name and shame in the forum. You don‘t understand. You gave them all they could hope for, sorry to break this to you...

 

[Screemonster]

Read my post again. Chicken out already? Scared to run a Cargo hauler? Need an FdL?

Oh, what a surprise... The FdL is indeed not a suitable Cargo Hauler. So the Haulers will turn up in Cargo Ships and then get ganked?
A T9 eating a single Grom Bomb or FSD disrupt Missile against a potent Combat Ship (or a Wing) is toast. We both know that. Good luck with that in a T7 or T9 in cargo config.

So what was your argument again?

Thought so. Thanks for proving my point.

PS.
You can twist around all you can, all day. The facts are obvious. You can stop twisting now, I think I've seen enough. You were right in one single thing : it's obvious indeed.
So go ahead and keep Ganking or support it, it's all okay.

what are you talking about

this is your original challenge:

So show us your Recordings of you killing a Wing of Gankers in an unengineered Type-7 or Type-9 somewhere in Deciat for its first FSD modification.

he said that's a ridiculous thing to expect, someone in a T7 in open should be built to evade and escape, not kill, and expecting a T9 to kill a gank wing is as silly as expecting a FDL to haul 600t of cargo, so what point is he proving for you? That haulers can't kill combat ships?

 

[Rick6549]

Read my post again. Chicken out already? Scared to run a Cargo hauler? Need an FdL?

Oh, what a surprise... The FdL is indeed not a suitable Cargo Hauler. So the Haulers will turn up in Cargo Ships and then get ganked?
A T9 eating a single Grom Bomb or FSD disrupt Missile against a potent Combat Ship (or a Wing) is toast. We both know that. Good luck with that in a T7 or T9 in cargo config.

So what was your argument again?

Thought so. Thanks for proving my point.

PS.
You can twist around all you can, all day. The facts are obvious. You can stop twisting now, I think I've seen enough. You were right in one single thing : it's obvious indeed.
So go ahead and keep Ganking or support it and blame Cargo Haulers for flying Cargo Ships or Explorers for flying Exploration Ships, it's all okay.

He's saying you shouldn't fly a shieldless t7 cargo ship with the smallest thrusters and dirstributor possible and then get mad when you die. If you fly a cargo ship in open you should get some people together to escort you, thats always fun.

 

[Screemonster]

He's saying you shouldn't fly a shieldless t7 cargo ship with the smallest thrusters and dirstributor possible and then get mad when you die. If you fly a cargo ship in open you should get some people together to escort you, thats always fun.

bingo
for as long as I've known him phisto has been an advocate for picking the appropriate mode for whatever you're doing, and taking an unengineered T7 into a hotspot for its first FSD modification is definitely one of those situations where open is not the appropriate mode

unless you've filled literally every bay with reinforcements just to waste the time of any gankers that want to pull you, of course. (and it's always fun when you get a message from an outlaw in a tanked-up aspx or something to the effect of "nice bait mate, catch anything yet?" )

 

[CLG 6]

It would be cool if there was a way to disguise your ship as an unarmed cargo ship when in fact it is a fully engineered combat anaconda or something akin.

The British Navy in WWI had something similar. German U boats were sinking merchant ships so the British Navy put volunteer British Navy sailors aboard cargo ships with a deck gun under an empty cargo box. U boats would surface before firing a torpedo to give the crew time to man lifeboats. British sailors practiced what they called panic parties in which they ran around in a fake panic. Improperly lowering lifeboats over the side and dumping "merchant marine" who were really expert swimmers into the ocean. When the U boat came within range they removed the empty cargo box and sunk the U boat with the deck gun.

Something like that would be fun to ambush a griefer with.