Having met the power juiced bulletsponge AI I pretty much felt the arms race encroaching on me solo experience as well. I refused to grind engineers, but the power creep seeped into the overall game anyway.
Grind in Elite vs other games
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Having met the power juiced bulletsponge AI I pretty much felt the arms race encroaching on me solo experience as well. I refused to grind engineers, but the power creep seeped into the overall game anyway.
Also, I don't craft dwarven bows. Too heavy. I transmute ores, then use the silver for smithing rings, which I then enchant and then barter for gold at the trader. The whole thing is a wholesome experience for me.
Tho I'd say the levelling is a bit repetitive, but that's exactly the point, is it not: You don't like it, you can mod it.
Again: Try that in ED...
Tho I'd say the levelling is a bit repetitive, but that's exactly the point, is it not: You don't like it, you can mod it.
Again: Try that in ED...
Equally it's amazing how some players are so easily pleased with such basic game play loops that require almost no thought on the players part, endless repetition or the obvious and ever present RNG that doesn't even attempt to disguise itself or a universe that the players have no agency in.
This forum is for players to provide feedback, Morlock did just that, seems he is not alone in thinking the game is lacking in certain areas.
You're attempting to twist a narrative to suit your argument, and you failed. You needed a cutter to enjoy trading? If you didn't enjoy trading in the smaller ships, I hardly see how trading in a Cutter is more enjoyable. That goes for any activity. It's only a grind to get to the Cutter when you push to get the Cutter "now". Nothing in the game forces you to grind rank for hours on end to get a ship. The Cutter is a luxury you earn, and was not meant to be acquired in a week. But you suffer from the same mindset as OP. It's the "top" ship so you want it now, so you push a self imposed grind on yourself to unlock it as soon as possible. Now that money is easily made, you can easily be in most of the ships to perform any of the activities in the game in a few days. There is nothing about the rank locked ships that are required and many don't even enjoy flying them. There is no special privileges with achieving a cutter or vette. Outside of opening up Shinrarta, Elite in any category is pointless. Yet OCD kicks in, people grind for those ranks and then complain. Self imposed. You are using the "I have to have ___" argument to enjoy the game. Same trap OP fell into. I say again, if you don't enjoy the activities in the game, the game is not for you. 37 ships, if you only enjoy flying 1 of them, then the game is not for you.
Every week there is a thread like this. If people don't like ED then why do they play it, or worse, not play it but come on this forum and moan about it?
I nearly bypassed ED because of so many reviews saying learning curve too high, so those cmdrs posting the continual negative threads could be persuading others to not even try it ... unless of course that is the intention?
If you don't like a game then don't play it ... simples.
I nearly bypassed ED because of so many reviews saying learning curve too high, so those cmdrs posting the continual negative threads could be persuading others to not even try it ... unless of course that is the intention?
If you don't like a game then don't play it ... simples.
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Exactly!
That's not the point when the very basic tasks of outfittin a ship is already grindy. I know folks like to pull the narrative of the insta-gratification cutter noob, but that is fringe case that doesn't reflect 99% of the core game loops around ship outfitting is pure grind on a hamster threadmill.
Simply put, if you enjoy the task it is game play, while if you don't enjoy the task it is a grind.
When I stop enjoying what I am doing in the Game I switch to doing something else I do enjoy until I find that boring, then I switch again. While the Game is not particularly deep it has width, so there is always either something new to do, or something else to pique your interest.
When I stop enjoying what I am doing in the Game I switch to doing something else I do enjoy until I find that boring, then I switch again. While the Game is not particularly deep it has width, so there is always either something new to do, or something else to pique your interest.
Excuse me, but this is about my 35th year playing Elite and it hasn't fizzled out yet. Until and even after they released ED I installed an Amiga emulator on my PC just to play Elite Frontier again.
And as it has been stated many times, this game is not for everyone. I don't like games like Fortnite. If I played it then complained about the core design of it, who is at fault? Me, the guy who wants the game to be something it's not. You and Morlock don't seem to get it. This is a Space Sim. The primary reason to play this game is to fly spaceships in outer space. If you don't enjoy the activities in the game, it's not for you. the fact that you and others who complain are hung up on credits and maxed out everything validates that this game is not for you, yet you play it and complain about it.
One more time, if you don't enjoy the activities in the game, then the game is not for you.
This is what boggles my mind. The game is clearly not for them. Instead of finding a game that better suits their interests, they'd rather complain and try to convince the rest of us that the game essentially sucks and that we should hate it too.
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There are aspects of elite that I do think are overly grindy, but taken as a whole I don't think so. Superpower rank progression used to be a super grind (now less so), and material gathering come to mind. Neither of these are required activities, though.
I think oftentimes 'grind' is used as a stand-in for general disappointment or dissatisfaction with the direction that FD have taken Elite. People can be very passionate about this game and lament any perceived deficiency in meeting its potential. Because it does so many things so well and ticks so many boxes for us space game fanatics, we tend to magnify the bad while minimizing the good.
I think oftentimes 'grind' is used as a stand-in for general disappointment or dissatisfaction with the direction that FD have taken Elite. People can be very passionate about this game and lament any perceived deficiency in meeting its potential. Because it does so many things so well and ticks so many boxes for us space game fanatics, we tend to magnify the bad while minimizing the good.
ED doesn't really have a traditional type of progression. Basically when you get to a Cobra mk3/Viper mk4 you can do just about anything in the game reasonably well (apart from PvP). Anything after that is all about player choice and what you want to do and achieve in the game.
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I have a lot of problems with ED these days, but for me grind has never been one of them... indeed lack of grind is my main issue TBH, wealth is not grindy enough.
the materials i think has improved massively since they came on the scene, and whilst it is a million miles from how i would do the engineers, TBH i think even with engineers the rate progression is paced just fine there too (which is not to say it could not be made more fun and more plausible)
the materials i think has improved massively since they came on the scene, and whilst it is a million miles from how i would do the engineers, TBH i think even with engineers the rate progression is paced just fine there too (which is not to say it could not be made more fun and more plausible)
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Playing red dead redemption 2 here, been playing it every single day since it launched and still going strong.
Grind wise, the two games can’t even begin to compare and in some respects the rdr grind is damned near as bad if not worse if ye don’t use the trusty old visa and buy some gold.
Sounds easy enough but ironically gold doesn’t equal dollars in rdr...although much can be bought with gold instead of cash, this doesn’t include ability cards or their upgrades and nor can recipes be bought with gold. Those are cash only, and all the gold in the game wont do ye any good at all...apart from being blinged out.
Cash and more importantly xp...lotta things only unlock with levelling up and that’s a grind and a half if ye don’t use exploits.
Much easier to manage however as there are multiple ways in which to achieve the same result and the advantages are obvious and profound...the move from a single sidearm holster to a dual wield holster fer example will completely transform how ye do combat in the game...unlocks at lvl 25 I think...last month or thereabouts fer yers truly.
Put simply, the burnout with rdr has been much less than it was with elite because there’s so much more to use money on whereas in ed, it’s just ships and modules and that’s about it really.
One small example how missions can be done in different ways. One co op mission has ye wipe out a gang/small army and capture the leader alive. The guy offers a deal, let him go and he will make ye rich. To earn honour and some money, ye can either bring him in anyway or take the deal and give the Marshall a different body...or ye can lose honour but make a bit more money if ye wait till he shows ye his stash, kill him and replace the fake body with his...that way ye get his stash and get paid by the law but ye lose honour. At first players thought it was an unintended exploit but it’s not the only mission where the choices made can pay more/less both in terms of cash and honour.
Now compare that to the mission grind on ed...food fer thought no? The grind here is just more of the same pickup from A deliver to B or spend an afternoon finding enough ships to kill to fill the quota or using yer bullet sponge with ridiculous shield to fight other bullet sponges. I should know I certainly did enough of them in the past and burned out badly round about last April or so...now have the money, the ship, more money and more ships and...and what next?’
Here’s hoping frontier have been taking notes but somehow I don’t think they will ^
Grind wise, the two games can’t even begin to compare and in some respects the rdr grind is damned near as bad if not worse if ye don’t use the trusty old visa and buy some gold.
Sounds easy enough but ironically gold doesn’t equal dollars in rdr...although much can be bought with gold instead of cash, this doesn’t include ability cards or their upgrades and nor can recipes be bought with gold. Those are cash only, and all the gold in the game wont do ye any good at all...apart from being blinged out.
Cash and more importantly xp...lotta things only unlock with levelling up and that’s a grind and a half if ye don’t use exploits.
Much easier to manage however as there are multiple ways in which to achieve the same result and the advantages are obvious and profound...the move from a single sidearm holster to a dual wield holster fer example will completely transform how ye do combat in the game...unlocks at lvl 25 I think...last month or thereabouts fer yers truly.
Put simply, the burnout with rdr has been much less than it was with elite because there’s so much more to use money on whereas in ed, it’s just ships and modules and that’s about it really.
One small example how missions can be done in different ways. One co op mission has ye wipe out a gang/small army and capture the leader alive. The guy offers a deal, let him go and he will make ye rich. To earn honour and some money, ye can either bring him in anyway or take the deal and give the Marshall a different body...or ye can lose honour but make a bit more money if ye wait till he shows ye his stash, kill him and replace the fake body with his...that way ye get his stash and get paid by the law but ye lose honour. At first players thought it was an unintended exploit but it’s not the only mission where the choices made can pay more/less both in terms of cash and honour.
Now compare that to the mission grind on ed...food fer thought no? The grind here is just more of the same pickup from A deliver to B or spend an afternoon finding enough ships to kill to fill the quota or using yer bullet sponge with ridiculous shield to fight other bullet sponges. I should know I certainly did enough of them in the past and burned out badly round about last April or so...now have the money, the ship, more money and more ships and...and what next?’
Here’s hoping frontier have been taking notes but somehow I don’t think they will ^
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Thats the best explanation of what attracts me to ED that I've seen. It's more like a hobby than a game.
Thats the best explanation of what attracts me to ED that I've seen. It's more like a hobby than a game.
These threads always depress me, because it is always abundantly clear that it is an impossible task for FD to make this right for both play styles.
I have never liked sandbox games, i like a bit of structure, narrative and need to feel a sense of purpose otherwise i cant be bothered playing.
NOTE I am not knocking your play style at all, just commenting on the fact that the more FD build to the sandbox gaming group the worse the game gets for the likes of me
.It does not bother me if i never make it to elite OR if i never get to own all the ships in the game - even though that is the aim of my character - to be a triple eliter with a hangar with every ship in the game...... but i am terrified (in so far as one can be about a game) of actually getting to elite, and having all the stuff in the game... And every time getting my goal is made easier to get to, i tend to want to play less and less.
Perhaps this seems some what split personality..... to strive to get to something in the game but at the same time be fearful of actually achieving my goal.
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Every game that has numbers you can increase will be a grind to some and not to others. It is just a pseudo-intellectual way of saying you prefer [game activity X] over [game activity Y]. There is no need for it. You have more fun playing Skyrim and getting your numbers higher there than in Elite? Perfect, have fun! No need to rationalize, defend or explain why you like blocking an incoming attack 100x to increase your block skill over selling some commodity 100x to increase faction standing.