Gtx 1080 ti Elite Dangerous

[jmg]

Hi guys

I've been pondering what to do about my Titan XP situation - I noticed on eBay that they are still fetching £ 800+ so thought I may sell it before the price drops further and purchase a AIB 1080ti.

I've been looking at the Asus Strix and the Inno3d IChill series so far.

My question to those who may know is this ........ the Titan XP using a 6 & 8 pin power connector (as does the Ichill) but the Asus uses 8 & 8 pin. Obviously I already have a 6/8 pin cable but also recall having another which I used when I was using 980ti's in SLI. If I went for the Asus - could I use the 8 pin from EACH different cable, leaving the 6-pins hanging loose (or tied up) or does the power have to come from the same lead irrespective of whether 6/8 or 8/8 etc?


Any help/advise would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

No, it doesn't. You're fine. You can use the 8 pins from different cables, you'll be fine.

If you want my advice -- as a fellow titan (in sli, no less) owner, sell your titans now before the prices plummet below ti's, and pick up a ti. the alleged superior overclock-ability of the titan and that extra gig of memory isn't worth it. I'd do the if my titans weren't overclocking like an absolute beast (far better than typical TI overclocks), and if I haven't already gone to the trouble of installing a hybrid cooler. It's the pinnacle of laziness, but there it is.

 

[UniMag]

No, it doesn't. You're fine. You can use the 8 pins from different cables, you'll be fine.

If you want my advice -- as a fellow titan (in sli, no less) owner, sell your titans now before the prices plummet below ti's, and pick up a ti. the alleged superior overclock-ability of the titan and that extra gig of memory isn't worth it. I'd do the if my titans weren't overclocking like an absolute beast (far better than typical TI overclocks), and if I haven't already gone to the trouble of installing a hybrid cooler. It's the pinnacle of laziness, but there it is.

Thanks for the tips. The only problem is being without a GPU for maybe a month or so?

The problem with a cooler is I have a Mini ATX case so not much space.

 

[dogbite]

I said 1080p high settings, blur bloom and DoF disabled (which you failed to read).

I failed to read nothing. If you think these are the only three setting that will affected judder, well what can I say. Things like PD, VR setting, terrain, etc etc will affect you. Chill

 

[XW_Ziggy]

I failed to read nothing. If you think these are the only three setting that will affected judder, well what can I say. Things like PD, VR setting, terrain, etc etc will affect you. Chill

LOL, I specified a resolution and a settings preset, as well as the only three things I changed from that settings preset. There was no ambiguity whatsoever.

You just can't admit that you failed to read. Keep digging that hole

 

[jmg]

Thanks for the tips. The only problem is being without a GPU for maybe a month or so?

The problem with a cooler is I have a Mini ATX case so not much space.

the hybrid coolers are tiny... It can fit in a std 80mm fan (I think ... anyway, it's not the largest fan, it's the step down).

I hear you on being without a card -- my dual titan setup replace 3x 980ti's. I'm sorely tempted to drop one of those 980's back in, and sell the titans with the hybrid coolers. Maybe I can get $900 each.

 

[TheChafing]

Hi guys

I've been pondering what to do about my Titan XP situation - I noticed on eBay that they are still fetching £ 800+ so thought I may sell it before the price drops further and purchase a AIB 1080ti.

I've been looking at the Asus Strix and the Inno3d IChill series so far.

My question to those who may know is this ........ the Titan XP using a 6 & 8 pin power connector (as does the Ichill) but the Asus uses 8 & 8 pin. Obviously I already have a 6/8 pin cable but also recall having another which I used when I was using 980ti's in SLI. If I went for the Asus - could I use the 8 pin from EACH different cable, leaving the 6-pins hanging loose (or tied up) or does the power have to come from the same lead irrespective of whether 6/8 or 8/8 etc?

Any help/advise would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

It's actually better if the power for the card comes from two separate leads. If you have two 8-pins that come out of the power supply, using them, and either removing (if your power supply is modular) or tying up the 6 pin is better than trying to use an adapter or splitter.

 

[dogbite]

LOL, I specified a resolution and a settings preset, as well as the only three things I changed from that settings preset. There was no ambiguity whatsoever.

You just can't admit that you failed to read. Keep digging that hole

You stated your "problem" was stutter. You said you "assumed" it was the games problem because you have 2 I7's driving 2 inferior gpu's. VR in general is gpu intensive-including ED. The reason I say inferior is because neither card meets the minimum recommended hardware fot Elite in VR.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nimum-specification-for-Elite-Dangerous-(DK2)

The only reason that I was suggesting that you include more setting info (I should have said all settings) was that despite seemingly being unaware that your gpu's were your problem, there may be some others with those cards that have found settings that will help allieviate (some) of the judder).

My only intention was to seek clarification in order to help you solve a perceived problem. Perhaps you could be a little less combative.

 

[XW_Ziggy]

Very well, I will clarify, but you fired the first shot in this discussion with "(which you failed to mention)" when I very obviously mentioned it - and in a complete, unambiguous way.
After my carefully-measured reply "(which you failed to read)" - literally using the same exact language, phrasing, as you did to me, you want to tell me to chill, as if I somehow am overreacting?

I'll agree it's combative, but let's be very clear here - I'm defending against your aggression. If you don't see it that way then you need to seriously consider how you convey yourself because covering one's mistake with aggression and then getting angsty about equally aggressive responses is what it looks like from here.

• The resolution 1080p is specific. It is a non-VR, 16:9 HDTV resolution, specifically 1920x1080 since utrawide resolutions are designated differently.
• The "high settings" refers to the "high" quality settings preset in Elite's graphics options. That could be ambiguous for which I apologise, but those presets affect every setting there is outside of resolution/refresh rate stuff under the "display" settings.
• The exception to those settings, as mentioned, is that I've turned off Blur, Bloom and Depth of field - because I don't like them, and if I don't like them then I might get better performance by disabling them.

The game runs super smoothly most of the time. I can get pretty decent (40+) framerates even at 2560x1440 ultra settings on the weaker of my two machines (with the 970) which technically only has 3.5GB of VRAM. The RX480 on the other hand is a hot-clocked model with a full 8GB of VRAM and 1375MHz clocks. I know these aren't high-end cards, but they're not exactly bad either and 1080p isn't even particularly demanding. The RX480 for example can get 144fps on my gaming monitor without much effort in most areas. The stuttering is literally whenever something big loads in - either an orbital, planetary base, station, outpost, collection of huts - whatever. Zoning in and loading up these assets, even when the OS and game are on different SSDs causes horrible stuttering.

Does the stuttering when entering new instances affect everyone, or is it just me? Has anyone had the stuttering and then fixed it? I'd love to know how....

 

[dogbite]

Awesome. I was able to get 2.2+ ghgz on my core with a hybrid cooler -- Iforget the conversion, but I was able to set afterburner to +220 on clock, and around 210 on memory. I'm going to try and break my firestrike ultra score tonight.

What percentage load are you seeing in afterburner when you're running elite? I never overclock when running elite, as I hardly tax one of my cards more than 30%-- I didn't think elite was that taxing a game. Would be interesting to see the load elite puts a Ti vs. a Titan.

ALso, have you done any benchmarks? Ti's are slowly starting to make their way into the top 100 on 3dmark, but the list is still dominated by titans (except k[ngp]n, but he gets told what card to benchmark). out of the top 100 single card scores for timespy, for example, there's only around 9 or so ti's, which which at least lends some anecdotal support for the theory that titans are "binned" better than the ti's. Would love to see stats of a "normal" ti, and not someone that's being paid and using an Ln setup.

3dmark isn't a very good indicator for VR, Vr Mark is somewhat better, but half of it they want to charge for. There is some new benchies here with the promise of more to come.
http://www.roadtovr.com/nvidia-gtx-1080ti-vs-1080-performance-review-max-vr-image-supersampling/

 

[vic]

Sorry guys to intrude but just would like to say that I NEVER get JUDDER anymore ANYWHERE no matter graphics settings, except hmd qual =1.5 or less (and using ASW of course) using my GTX1080 normal founders card...stutter however is another story!

 

[UniMag]

It's actually better if the power for the card comes from two separate leads. If you have two 8-pins that come out of the power supply, using them, and either removing (if your power supply is modular) or tying up the 6 pin is better than trying to use an adapter or splitter.

Ok thanks for confirming and yes I realise now I can just unplug the 6 pin connections

I'll lose 2 PCI slots (maybe 1 - just) if I go for an AIB card but just means reconnecting the wifi adaptor and sound card to external.

SLI will also be out of the question but been there, done that and IMO it's not worth the hassle/expense.

 

[dogbite]

Very well, I will clarify, but you fired the first shot in this discussion with "(which you failed to mention)" when I very obviously mentioned it - and in a complete, unambiguous way.
QUOTE]

Many times in this forum the expression -"you failed to mention" has be used to glean more information in order to better get a sense of a problem, without being taken as "firing a shot". Even now you list point/counter point like some sort of high school debate. This is an international forum where people have different language skills. For many English isn't even a first language. Even when everybody speaks English first, there is often a need for clarification. You might want to not take everything so personally.

 

[XW_Ziggy]

Sorry guys to intrude but just would like to say that I NEVER get JUDDER anymore ANYWHERE no matter graphics settings, except hmd qual =1.5 or less (and using ASW of course) using my GTX1080 normal founders card...stutter however is another story!

So your 1080FE works like a dream except with async spacewarp in VR?

Can you clarify the difference between stutter and judder? I call anything that's not a smooth framerate judder OR stutter - I'm not even sure I know the difference. I just know it ain't smooth (until it's finished loading stuff in the background or something)!

Many times in this forum the expression -"you failed to mention" has be used to glean more information in order to better get a sense of a problem, without being taken as "firing a shot". Even now you list point/counter point like some sort of high school debate. This is an international forum where people have different language skills. For many English isn't even a first language. Even when everybody speaks English first, there is often a need for clarification. You might want to not take everything so personally.

Keep digging, you'll be at the bottom soon, I'm sure of it!

Rather than simply admitting that you overlooked or missed the full information I supplied, you're still intent on trying to wriggle your way out of this

 

[dogbite]

So childish

 

[jmg]

3dmark isn't a very good indicator for VR, Vr Mark is somewhat better, but half of it they want to charge for. There is some new benchies here with the promise of more to come.
http://www.roadtovr.com/nvidia-gtx-1080ti-vs-1080-performance-review-max-vr-image-supersampling/

I stick with 3dmark 'cause I did pay for it . I have benchmarks on my account going back to my uber cool 8800 gtx (which is still in my basement )

I'm really curious on an apple-to-apple comparison how the Ti is shaping up against the titan, and if the titan really does have better-binned parts -- though I have a feeling that's another one of those internet rumors started by a fellow-titan owner to make us all feel less burned

also, I'll throw in that I don't get judder.. I didn't get any with 3 980ti's, and I don't get any with 2x titans. Don't know if that furthers the above discussion or not.

 

[UniMag]

the hybrid coolers are tiny... It can fit in a std 80mm fan (I think ... anyway, it's not the largest fan, it's the step down).

I hear you on being without a card -- my dual titan setup replace 3x 980ti's. I'm sorely tempted to drop one of those 980's back in, and sell the titans with the hybrid coolers. Maybe I can get $900 each.

Sounds like a decent plan.

To make matters worse I've got family coming to stay from abroad in 3 weeks (with 2 kids) so I'd like to show them some VR stuff and other games like Planet Coaster.

 

[jmg]

Sounds like a decent plan.

To make matters worse I've got family coming to stay from abroad in 3 weeks (with 2 kids) so I'd like to show them some VR stuff and other games like Planet Coaster.

I'll send you one of my 980's

 

[XW_Ziggy]

I'm really curious on an apple-to-apple comparison how the Ti is shaping up against the titan, and if the titan really does have better-binned parts -- though I have a feeling that's another one of those internet rumors started by a fellow-titan owner to make us all feel less burned

If you're talking about the Titan XP (Pascal) model, the difference between it and the Ti are pretty minimal I think.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/gtx-1080-ti-review-benchmarks/#benchmarks

It's not surprising since they're mostly the same product with a couple of minor variations in the config that balance out as a wash.

If you were buying a new card right now you'd be mad not buy the cheaper 1080Ti. If you already have a TitanXP there's only a couple of percent benefit in sidegrading to the 1080Ti.

On the subject of power supplies and connectors, very few modern supplies use dedicated power rails for 12V (the CPU and GPU connectors) so it really doesn't matter which configuration of cables you use to power a card. The optimal config is to distribute it over as many connectors as possible to reduce the risk of overheating the copper wires if you card exceeds the 75W (6-pin) or 150W (8-pin) spec, but the chance of that happening on modern motherboards and graphics cards is vanishingly unlikely in the first place, so just wire it up whichever way floats your boat.

 

[dogbite]

I stick with 3dmark 'cause I did pay for it . I have benchmarks on my account going back to my uber cool 8800 gtx (which is still in my basement )

I'm really curious on an apple-to-apple comparison how the Ti is shaping up against the titan, and if the titan really does have better-binned parts -- though I have a feeling that's another one of those internet rumors started by a fellow-titan owner to make us all feel less burned

also, I'll throw in that I don't get judder.. I didn't get any with 3 980ti's, and I don't get any with 2x titans. Don't know if that furthers the above discussion or not.

I know what you mean about that burn. I remember when they stop using joystick ports and suddenly my expensive CH stick and rudders became useless and of course every time intel changed a bus (seems like weekly), we had to buy new hardware.The speed at which gpu tech is moving it's tough to pull the trigger on bleeding edge these day. I have a feeling Nvidia has had a good look at Vega and we could be looking a some needed competition again. The really aggressive pricing is got to hurt with 2 Titans. I used to always buy new tech at least a year later, when the price is halved. I do suspect a new card will be purchased this summer though, after the prices settle in and all the variants are in the wild.

 

[vic]

So your 1080FE works like a dream except with async spacewarp in VR?

Can you clarify the difference between stutter and judder? I call anything that's not a smooth framerate judder OR stutter - I'm not even sure I know the difference. I just know it ain't smooth (until it's finished loading stuff in the background or something)!



Keep digging, you'll be at the bottom soon, I'm sure of it!

Rather than simply admitting that you overlooked or missed the full information I supplied, you're still intent on trying to wriggle your way out of this

Sorry if I wasnt too clear but I meant to say I never get judder even with graphics on high/ultra and hmd qual at 1.5. I usually keep asw on , but even off I dont get judder. Judder is mainly apparant when you move your head (and ship not moving) and can see the entire visuals jumping/lagging at steady rate whereas stutter is apparent even with your head perfectly still but make your ship move around and can see outside the ship jump or skip frames. Stutters happen more sporadic and unpredictable where judder tends to happen more steady and directly related to head movement. This was harder to explain than I thought.