Guy Managed to export 3D models from Elite

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Philip Coutts

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I've seen other items such as t-shirts and posters that have been made up and I think Frontiers line was that as long as it was for personnel use and not for profit it was alright
 

akr

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Cool!

It's not permitted under the EULA, so it'll depend on whatever else FD want to allow (or not) regarding fan use of their assets, and what they think of what he's doing with them: they get to call the terms on that.

For comparative example, Blizzard have always been pretty chill about WoWModelViewer being used to produce comics about WoW. They didn't have to be, but that's definitely helped them over the years.

FD don't mind gameplay videos, they might not mind this, but that probably depends on what's done with it. This one really just comes down to fan relations and the individual case.

This doesn't look like a dire infringement. But selling merch, for example, would definitely not be cool without FD's say-so I think! And changing things, that way lies cheatdom and this is an online game so that's not cool.

To the person above calling for something to be patched, there is nothing to patch. It's impossible in the general case to pack assets in a way they can't be extracted or parsed but are available to the game.
 

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Just do what CCP does, allow the meshes to be used for Non-Commerical fan productions but come down heavy on any one that uses them for commerical gain. Simple.
 

SilverbladeTE

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People have been doing this for YEARS
first one I saw was for HalfLife2, Australian lad, iirc folk were that impressed with his work he got hired by a studio :p

you all do know there's a big difference between a 3d Render and a 3D PRINT?
these all seem to be renders

and even then the law's....ropey (hence problems with the draconian and frankly dangerous secretive trade laws the mad corporations are pushing through via the American Congress, ick. Serious case of "be careful what you wish for...")
if companies start hammering down on *fan art*...they don't deserve to have customers
It's commercial theft and "use that would harm their reputation" that's the issue.

If a fan makes cool art...that's free and good advertising! ;)

any more and well...our societies still cannot deal with fact we're in a digital age
 

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Robert Graham said:
Just do what CCP does, allow the meshes to be used for Non-Commerical fan productions but come down heavy on any one that uses them for commerical gain. Simple.
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I've been building fantasy space ships based on a D&D setting for years, love the setting/art, I've been mentioned in Dragon magazine etc ;)
great fun, that's building them myself though based on original artwork, non-commercial

Turntable animation to show model, note it's NOT the final textures on it

[video]http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/sj/bombard/great_bombard1.wmv[/video]

and art render :) bombard_rocks_smallfile.jpg
 

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using any sort of autoinject programs to extract anything like in that vid would most surely render a locked acount in most games since its breaking pretty much any EULA ever written and/or can be used for cheating/exploiting a game...

so unless FD says this is ok, do not try this if you wanna keep your account

EDIT: the maker of that vid even says that u could get caught for cheating, his error is that he thinks its ok if he plays in solo..! but solo is NOT offlline, its still online, and therefore might be seen as hacking/cheating/whatever and a locked account..
 
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using any sort of autoinject programs to extract anything like in that vid would most surely render a locked acount in most games since its breaking pretty much any EULA ever written and/or can be used for cheating/exploiting a game...
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Please show examples of where this has happened in other games.

I haven't heard of any.

I have heard of game assets being stripped from lots of other games, lots of times in the past without penalty.

The only time this should be stopped is if the person stripping the assets is using them in a commercial venture, otherwise where's the problem?
 

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Please show examples of where this has happened in other games.

I haven't heard of any.

I have heard of game assets being stripped from lots of other games, lots of times in the past without penalty.

The only time this should be stopped is if the person stripping the assets is using them in a commercial venture, otherwise where's the problem?
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its not me who should have to prove myself, read the EULA (in pretty much any game if u dont believe me)
besides... im NOT talking about extracting 3d models itself, its the method used to do it!

two different issues here.. in the vid posted here its A: about using dll injectors and B: the extracted 3d models itself. it is "A" i talk about, not "B"! (link to vid should perhaps be removed)

evry single time i actually did read a EULA it did say stuff about not using decompilers, dll injectors etc... im not talking only about ED, but in general. it is common sence to not use hacker tools if wanna avoid getting locked account...

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from ED EULA:

"3. Licence Restrictions
You are not permitted:
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(b) except as expressly permitted by this EULA and to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law, to rent, lease, sub-license, loan, exploit for profit or gain, copy, modify, adapt, merge, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or create derivative works based on the whole or any part of the Game or use, reproduce, distribute, translate, broadcast, publicly perform, store in a retrieval system or otherwise deal in the Game or any part thereof in any way;
(c) use cheats, automation software, hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized software designed to modify or defeat the purpose or experience of the Game;"

(actually there is more in this EULA that might, or might not, fit the above mentioned method, but im not gonna waste any more of my life trying to convince ***** that its not ok to use hacker tools in a online game)

now in not a lawyer, but this is pretty clear to me that this is very questionable (atleast the use of a dll injector software, especially when running the game!) this is not even about the actual extracted file.. althou that too might be breaking some rule...
 
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using any sort of autoinject programs to extract anything like in that vid would most surely render a locked acount in most games since its breaking pretty much any EULA ever written and/or can be used for cheating/exploiting a game...
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Figureprints laughs in your general direction. Prior to things like this having proper API access, there were services that used geometry scraping- and they frequently made it into various devs' newsletters.
 
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Figureprints laughs in your general direction. Prior to things like this having proper API access, there were services that used geometry scraping- and they frequently made it into various devs' newsletters.
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no idea what ur point is? all i been saying is that if you, the player, wanna be certain to not lose ur account.. the DO NOT DO THIS... simple...! only a idiot would try to argue with this (but hey, if anyone wanna argue against this, then by all means go ahead and do use dll injectors, its not my problem)
 
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